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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
Placeholder for tonight's episode. You all know the drill, Daedalus = father of Icarus, who flew too close to sun, yadda yadda. . . Since we know this episode features the inventor of transporter technology and his. . . daughter, I think? . . . it's safe to guess it'll probably all end in tears.

. . . Of course, if you want to hope against hope that we'll get to see a Daedalus-class starship, be my guest. Don't come crying to me, is all. 8)
 
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
Well, for lack of a better pun... I was ready with "Waxwork Tech" or something. [Razz] What're we looking for?

- Quanification on various aspects of early transporter tech. The first time we heard it, the transporter had an effective range of two thousand kilometers. I believe it's up to twenty now, and of course this episode deals with extending it further. Also look for possible explanations for the psychadelic new transporter bay walls.

-Links to future trnsporter tech. Re-watching various TNG epsiodes about transporter psychosis and stasis are encouraged, as well as the one with the subspace transporter. Ditto with the Voyager episode about the metrion cascade, from which this episode borrows some themes.

-Our visiting doctor is in a wheelchair - and like DS9, Enterprise is decidedly NOT wheelchair friendly. Look for possible creative ways to get around this.

-Not surprisingly, Enterprise has been sticking close to home of late; she was in space but near Vulcan at the beginning of the last arc, so within a few days warp of home. Where is our guest picked up?

Mark
 
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
This was a very quiet, understated episode. Maybe these types of stories don't have much place in modern Trek, but it's nice they're still there. On-the-fly notes follow:

-Timestamp: a week since T'Les died. So, counting transit back to Earth, this episode basically happens immediately after "Kir'Shara".

-There's a ramp on the transporter pad. Don't remember there being in there before, and it's not there later.

-T'Pol is already reading the e-book of the Kir'Shara. Pretty quick.

-The site of the transporter tests is in a region known as "The Barrens", which supposedly hasn't a single star system within a hundred light years. Take THAT, cartographers..!

-Vulcan is pegged at "over sixteen light years away". Take THAT, cartographers!

-The first transports took 90 seconds to complete.

-Removing the psychadelic wall panel on the transporter bay reveals the familiar transporter pad seen in the floor or ceiling of the transporter pads in TOS, TNG and VOY. I doubt that these are the ACTUAL pads, but the tech tribute is nice, AND explains the wierd patterns.

-The fun starts when an anomaly is detected around the armory. Naturally, it's the redshirt and not Reed that is killed, doing a respectable impression of a victim in "The Ring" in the process. The thing ends up skulking around suddenly empty areas of the ship, ambushing people along the way.

-Our first test of the new sub-quantum whatsit technology sees the transport of a test article (which looks suspiciously like the distress buoy from the SS Valiant) to 40,000 kilometers, matching the typical TNG range.

-Before having her hand mangled by the thing, T'pol takes visual readings with her tricorder. She has a surprisingly steady hand, or the tricorder has some damned fine anti-jitter technology. [Smile] Anyway, it's Quinn - Emory's son, lost in an early transporter accident. He's stuck between normal phase and subspace phase... Sort of an interphase, if you will.

-Emory declares that sub-quantum transport will NEVER work. But Quinn tried it anyway, and off he went. Emory is on a mission to recover his son and atone for his guilt. The Barrens is a subspace "node", which is why no stars are around (wha?); Emory has determined that Quinn's signal is somehow trapped somewhere here. Archer is convinced to try.

-Porthos!

-Engineering has some additional scaffolding. It's tough to see with the darkened lighting, but it looks like the warp core has some safety fences around it now. [Smile]

-Through subsequent manifestations, they get enough data to attempt a rescue. Surprisingly, they DO get him back, but with irreperable cellular damage - Quinn has just enough time to ask his dad what the hell's going on before he dies.

-Bookending the previous trilogy, Phlox tells T'Pol she has no trace of Pa'nar syndrome. Apparently, now that the truth is out, people with it are coming forward and are being cured - and as an in-joke, Phlox says it's no longer a "stigma". Ha, ha.

-The new console installed for the experiment replaces the old freestanding console, and looks to be a permenant addition, as it's still there after they leave.

-The small "cutter" design we saw meet Enterprise when she came home from the Nazi episode is here again. She looks a little bigger than last time (probably a mistake, but easily explained away as a perspective thing) and this one's named the Sarajevo.

Mark
 
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
The Barrens sound like a bad thing. How can there be no star systems within 100 ly, and still be in range of Earth's ships? How can Vulcan be 16 ly from it?
 
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
 
maybe they just mean for 100 lightyears after it, considdering we could still see stars as behind them as the Enterprise dropped out of warp
 
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Well, uh, if it weren't subarctic outside tonight, I could go out and see stars and other phenomena that are considerably more than 100 light years away.
 
Posted by Manticore (Member # 1227) on :
 
I'm gonna go with an explanation I've found elsewhere (thank you Bond, James Bond) and say that it was also some kind of dark nebula. [Wink]
 
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
- Oh right. The 16 lightyears to Vulcan was from Earth. Which is the same figure given in the trilogy, and is consistent with 40 Eridani.

- But the Barrens is still weird. It seems to be at most two days away from the core worlds, but it must be at least 100 ly from Vulcan and Earth.

- That redstripe was using a MACO-rifle, and the gun cabinets in Armory were stocked with only MACO-rifles?

- The Sarajevo is not really that much bigger than the previous appearance. In Storm Front, the ship flies past the Enterprise in such a way that we can't actually see how far apart they are. Same goes for this appearance.

Sarajevo vs Storm Front ship

[ January 15, 2005, 08:28 AM: Message edited by: Harry ]
 
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
-The Barrens' lack of stars could be a property of the subspace node - sorta like walking into a room comprised of one-way mirrors. The same could be said of the 2000ly dark spot Voyager went through in "Night". I also like the notion that they're just on the EDGE of the Barrens, rather than in the middle of a 200ly blob of nothing. Still, I'd challenge any stellar cartographer to find such a space of nothing within 200ly of Earth, which is about as far out as Enterprise has ever been.

-The regular old rifles were seen on the rack on the walls of the armory. It wouldn't hurt though if they simply replaced them... The MACO rifles are cooler and more original props.

Mark
 
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
Bloody edit timelimit: The real link is "Sarajevo".
 
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
Seems I was spot-on with my choice of "melting wax" for a thread title. In some ways the going-runny-then-setting look is worse than the gore one would imagine from a transporter accident - although when they were trying to rematerialise Quinn I thought "They're gonna need a mop to clean up the pad when they're done."

Interesting choice of the MACO rifle as the prop in that scene. Looked like the scope was half-out as well. I bet we haven't seen the last of the Starfleet-issue Grease-Gun rifles though.

I think the nametags on those two MACOs were pretty visible. Must resist urge. . .
 
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
 
Hmm... I believe we previously thought that the Sarajevo was a sublight-only design because it doesn't have any obvious warp engines, and there's only one glowy part (funky impulse engine?). If that's the case, it's a long way from home without warp, even though Archer did say they rendez... rondayvoos... MET with the Sarajevo.

B.J.
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Rendezvous.
 
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Anyone else think the Sarajevo looks like the Sweeps from Transformers?
http://tfarchive.com/cartoons/generationone/profiles/g1scourge.php

Yeah, I thought it was just me...sigh

Any idea as to the length on this new ship?
 
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
 
depends on how close to the camera it is compaired to Enterprise. To me it looks like it's closer to the camera than it appears
 
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
The conning tower obviously has two levels; plus there are two rows of lights visible on the upperside of the fuselage, but the saucer itself is so shallow compared to the conning tower, I can't imagine them cramming two levels in there. They must be skylights. . . or maybe just lights and not windows at all. But then - there's also a row of lights visible on the underside. So there could be two decks in there. . . The Sarajevo is obviously the Defiant of its day!
 
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
From that scraeengrab, it looks like the ship sports a single nacelle at the center aft- the two diaganal "bridges" seem to overhang it.
No glowy parts or endcap on the nacelle though.

I dig it.

This would be the oldest example of asingle-nacelled starship so far.
 
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Maybe the two rows of white lights - cause you can't see anything in them - are deflector emmitters or something?
 
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
From the non-tech thread:
quote:
Actually, that comment about transporters changing Starfleet made no sense. In three years aboard one ship they still only use it when there's no other choice.
That's true. Does the NX-01 have any other transporters though? Because we were told that transporters had been in use for cargo for some time before it got cleared for humans, right?

Come to think of it, we've never actually seen the NX-01 taking up any significant cargo, but the cargo holds are filled with those yellow barrels that seem to fit a transporter pad.
 
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
 
Regarding the Sarajevo, those two rows of exposed, vulnerable angular windows make the ship look somewhat "civilian". Like a yacht of sorts, really.

Do we have any reason to think this vessel would be armed? My first impression is of a "command boat", a vessel type important to our littorial navy. A liaison vessel that looks like a small and grey Miami Vice druglord yacht, dedicates a lot of room to engines (most of the lateral fairings on the Sarajevo could be engine, if each holds a set of coils as wide as those blue lights are wide), features good communications gear, and of course is utterly unarmed and unshielded so as not to carry extra weight.

I'm forced to think that the small roundish dots do not indicate decks, since the size and positioning of the "sail" windows so inescapably establishes the scale of this vessel.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Posted by FawnDoo (Member # 1421) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
Anyone else think the Sarajevo looks like the Sweeps from Transformers?

I must admit, speaking as a Trek fan and a slightly shamefaced Transfan at the same time, the designs are strikingly similar...if I were Archer I would keep my eye on the Sarajevo!

Maybe this is one of Manny Coto's plans for season 4 - the Decepticon arc? ;-)
 
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
It all leads into Enterprise becoming Series? [Big Grin]
 


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