This is topic $$ 713 Bottles of Tech On the Wall! ["These Are the Voyages..." FINALE SPOILERS!] in forum Starships & Technology at Flare Sci-Fi Forums.
TOS - 79 episodes TNG - 178 episodes DS9 - 176 episodes VOY - 172 episodes ENT - 98 episodes
Adding the ten movies, and excluding 22 episodes of TAS and various games, comics, etc., and you have 713 tech reports that have been made in SOME form over the years. It's been a grand ride, and it ends for the forseeable future with this finale. Love it, and leave it to history. In the meantime, look for:
-Various Enterprise upgrades made over the previous six years unseen. For starters, it seems that the bridge inherits the secondary comm strut that Columbia had (which is a good thing), but not her annoying pulsating lights (also a good thing). Anything else?
-Uniform stuff. We know that they've now got useless epaulets on the standard uniforms now (unless they're adding something to them eventually and Enterprise just hadn't gotten around to it), and they've added a standard Starfleet patch on the right shoulder. Patches aside, T'pol is the same as ever, it seems, and everyone's still the same rank. Any more?
-Archer finishes the episode in an until-now-unseen dress uniform, which is a new thing. Or is it? There don't seem to be as many zippers or buttons, so it may suggest an interm step to the more familiar uniforms of later eras. OTOH, he has two rows of four pips on it, which in combination with the piping suggests it's a flag uniform (and that Archer is now an Admiral in accordance with his bio from IAMD II). Given how skin-tight it is, I'd REALLY not like this to be a standard Admiral's uniform!
-Decommissioning tech. Besides the short mention in ST6, we don't really know how a "regular" decommissioning goes, since most Trek hero ships get blown up at the end of their careers. Enterprise is (surprisingly) going into mothballs with this episode, so what does that entail?
-The tidbits of TNG-tech, which will be a treat for us regardless of the contrivances of the plot. They've re-created the holodeck, some hallways, quarters, the conference lounge (with season 5-7 bulkheads, natch), and possibly Ten Forward. Will the re-creation be accurate enough? We've already complained about the colour of the Holodeck doors... What else will be seen, and will it add to the era we all know and love?
-The final montage, which combines the opening spiels of TOS and TNG with Archer finishing it off. Will you get misty? Or will you be looking at the wonderful CGI ships for the last time? Note that the E-nil will be the Defiant from a couple epsiodes ago, not changing all the numbers they should've.
Bring it on!
Mark
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
A closing montage?! Oh what the hell is that about? How about they just worry about wrapping up Enterprise satisfactorily and not putting a lid on the whole franchise.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: We've already complained about the colour of the Holodeck doors...
Actually, we decided in that thread (whichever one it was) that I wrong on the holodeck door color goof. The side of the doors facing the corridor are indeed orange while the side of the doors facing the holodeck are brownish-gray. I forgotten about that until someone in that thread corrected me.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
What might have made this worth the while is if they had showed a part of the E-D we had never seen before... instead of a bunch of stuff that we have. Dolphin tanks. Captain's Yacht. The closet full of bodies that Data was secretly collecting all those years.
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Hell, I wanted to see the bloody Main Shuttlebay actually on the Enterprise-D.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
I don't have a problem with them decommissioning the NX-class. Once the Federation is established they'll suddenly have access to all that lovely Andorian and Vulcan tech, which will mean much different requirements as to what they need in a ship. Far better to just start off from scratch. I don't know why (if we take that Archer bio with a pinch of salt) they'd wait 85 years to call another ship Enterprise, though. . .
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Crusty ol' Admiral Archer probably didn't want any new ship tarnishing his memory.
I can accept that they wanted to clean-slate the new Starfleet for political reasons, but that would suggest that there would have to be some sort of interm design in service by that point to take over the job. Possibly a joint design would have been premiered at the founding of the Federation or just shortly before it. Certainly they wouldn't recall all the NX class starships until they had something else out there...
Mark
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Well today's the big day, the last episodes of Star Trek. You know it's funny that this is the last day since in my highschool we were talking about death and how difficult it is to lose someone you love after spending soo much time with them for so many years and that got me thinking about Star Trek. Coincidence is a real biatch.
Posted by Wes (Member # 212) on :
Its been a good 18 years. What a bittersweet farewell.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Yeah. This week, Star Trek ends. Next week, Star Wars ends. Let the commiseration begin!
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
I just saw the episode... I am not sure if I'm numb or pissed. Maybe both since I'm still wondering what the hell was the Enterprise-D there.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I'm halfway through. Please make it stop! This is utter and complete trash.
Sirtis and Frakes' acting reminds me of crappy fan movies. Troi was from Betazed, not England. And that bearded git is ruining all the scenes with our crew.
Talking about our crew, nothing has changed. No promotions, no transfers. Except that T'Pol has reverted into an ice cold Vulcan. She positively hates Andorians, and can't get along with Archer. And her relation with Trip hasn't really developed, it seems. She's never even met his parents, nor had any children with him.
Everything to do with ENT's characters is holographic. Freezing the program in the middle of lines is awful. And since I doubt the NX-01 recorded all the discussions with Chef, it's likely that they were only simulated by holodeck personas. In other words.. who the hell cares?
Trip's death was pointless and out-of-character. And they didn't even do anything with his death. So Riker watched him die first, and then chatted with him? That's a bit weird.
"End program" during Archer's critical claim to fame. Need I say more.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Hey guys, there's a thread in the Enterprise forum for this. Tech discussions here!
Mark
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: Yeah. This week, Star Trek ends. Next week, Star Wars ends. Let the commiseration begin!
well now that two major sources of competion have died due to Right-to-Die nuts at FOX and Paramount, does that mean we're finally see the light of day for projects like, uh, a Battletech/ Dorkage series/film or, (after someone buys out Harmony Gold and kills it of course)...
But yeah, those fuckers pretty much ruined ST overall by assisted suicide at the very least, 1st Degree Murder at the worst.
fuck. Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Hmm.. I thought I posted it in the right thread.
As for tech:
- There are now Warp 7 ships. No names given.
- Dough rollers are made from stainless steel. This is the future.
- No other obvious changes in equipment. Weapons and communicators are still the same.
- Sadly (or not), we don't find out who exactly are the founding members of the Federation. Tellarites and Andorians are mentioned.
- The Algeron Treaty of 2311 redefined the Neutral Zone and outlawed Federation cloaking devices.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
I don't think we'd ever seen "objective mode" in the holodeck before . . . though "observer mode" would've made more sense as the term for it. Or perhaps "offensive mode", but now I'm straying into a review. Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
Also, in the first Ten-Forward scene, what's up over on the left? Looks like Picard and Data are standing there talking to that Betazoid guy from "Menage a Troi", and there's even a Ferengi ship's crewmember sitting at the table.
(Checks "Menage a Troi" . . . oh wow. That scene is lifted entirely from TNG! They just replaced Lwaxana and Troi with Riker and Troi.
Impressive, but they left in Riker behind the Betazoid guy . . . he's playing chess with the Ferengi, and yet he's also over talking to Troi.
Now *that* is multitasking.)
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Screencaps!!
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge: Screencaps!!
Holy shit, this is scary as hell.
Here we have Riker and Troi (good work putting them in there, btw), and here we have Number One number two (good one, eh? ), behind the three dudes to the left. I tried to capture a frame where you can also see the new one. And, believe me, I'll never be able to watch this scene again without noticing. Oh, and one of the three guys is actually Captain Picard himself, but you can't see him on this particular screencap.
So, if there are any special requests, tell me.
Before I forget, "Star Trek: Enterprise" never brought a tear to my eye, until the moment I saw her again, probably for the last time ever. Thought I should share that moment. This may not have been a good Enterprise episode, but it was a fine Star Trek episode for me. I wondered why they didn't use the E-E or the Titan for this episode, but maybe it wasn't a bad decision at all.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
3ivx, 980ish kilobytes
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
The giveaway was that all the NDs in the wide shot were in the season 1-2 TNG variant uniforms, of course. The "new" footage extras were all the collared variants.
All the TNG sets were probably mostly the result of cobbling bits and pieces together from whatever they had sitting in the warehouse, including wall parts, bulkheads, etc. The Ten Forward set was only a two-wall set, Troi's quarters were three walls, etc. The fore bulkhead and windows from the conference were probably all preserved from the TNG era - and the new stuff was partially concealed by the new lights, plants and wall decos that weren't ever there. Mr. Mott was obviously getting out of hand with his redecorations.
Mark
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
- Manny Coto is in the crowd at the end as an Admiral.
- Admiral Daniels is the one who asked Archer to give a speech. I hope he's not an ancestor of that other Daniels. If Admiral Daniels was at the founding ceremony, too, it could give the whole "Zero Hour"-visit a whole new spin. Funnyly, this leads to...
-...Riker and Troi standing at the exact point where Daniels and Archer stood. Before we got that shot, we saw Troi just a couple of meters behind Hoshi, Reed and the others. Quite risky of Daniels to bring ZH-Archer to that location. All it would have taken to screw timeline was Hoshi turning around and seeing them sand there.
- I never thought I would say that, but we've got some new info on the Pegasus; 71 people died on that ship, and if we add the lucky few who escaped (I think they gave the number of survivors in the TNG-episode), we get the crew complement of the ship. Of course, about 80 people seems to be a bit high for an Oberth-class vessel.
- We also got some crew displays (I made some screencaps as well, but you really can't read anything. If anyone has this episode in HD-quality - I'm sure you do - we may get some interesting stuff.) The people who died aboard the Pegasus were Cmdr. Ronald Moore (probably the ship's second in command and the guy they named that Galaxy-class after ), Lt. Dawn Velazquez, Crewman Eric Motz, Crewman Andy Simonson and Ensign Phil Wallace.
- They ressurected the display!
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
You know, it brought a tear in my eye to see the Enterprise-D on the small screen again after all these years... the same goes for 1701. I was bit pissed that the doors in orange were a bit too bright... unless it is the same paint but different lighting setups that make it seem more garish for some reason.
Okay, the USS Equinox had about 80 people in her... what's wrong with the USS Pegasus having about the same amount?
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
We never had an Oberth with so many crew on board. We even had ships with less than a dozen people. Plus - if this was supposed to be a secret experiment, why didn't they leave all the non-essential crew behind on the nearest starbase before embarking on the mission to test the cloak? Unless, of course, most of the crewmembers were Starfleet/Section 31 agents and/or mission specialists.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
In response to Kyle:
1. It was Admiral Douglas, not Admiral Daniels. 2. I highly doubt they would have put Daniels and Archer in that spot. Knowing Daniels, it was probably in another part of the building. Most likely in another quadrant of the building on another balcony so that none one would recognize them. 3. And the Tsiolkovsky had a crew of 80. So the Pegasus' crew number isn't unusual.
Oh, as for the Observation Lounge, it was most likely kept from it's appearance in Nemesis as the E-E lounge. (Well, as least the table and the back wall with the windows, don't remember of the chairs are the same).
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
Re: The Pegasus crew manifest
It's actually a rather entertaining write-up in the spirit of other TNG-era gags:
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dat: 1. It was Admiral Douglas, not Admiral Daniels.
I noticed upon the second viewing and came here to correct it. You're fast, that's for sure. Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
I can make out some of that readout. . . Transcript anyone?
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
I can barely read what is on there... anyone care to email Mike Okuda for the transcript?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
This is what a 19" monitor is MEANT for.
"...THOSE RUMORS, BUT STARFLEET INVESTIGATIVE SERVICES CLEARED HIM OF ANY WRONG DOING.
I WONDER IF THIS WILL BE READABLE IN HI-DEF?
AND THIS SENTENCE WILL TAKE US OFF THE END OF THE PAGE IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT ENDS IN THE MIDDLE OF A VERY IMPORTANT THOUGHT. UNREADABLE BIOGRAPHICAL TEXT GOES HERE. IT WOULD BE TELLING US VITAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE HANDSOME FELLOW PICTURED TO THE RIGHT, BUT LET'S FACE IT, WRITING ALL THAT UP FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON WOULD TAKE MORE TIME THAN I CARE TO SPEND. IN THE END, IT WILL BE SO SMALL, NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO READ IT.
INSTEAD, I WILL WRITE SENTENCES OF SUFFICIENTLY DIFFERENT LENGTHS SO THAT IT LOOKS LIKE REGULAR ENGLISH LANGUAGE.
SEE NOW NICE AND SHORT THAT LAST SENCE WAS? THIS WILL BE A LONGER PARAGRAPH MADE UP OF SEVERAL SENTENCES, AS IF LISTING THE MANY AMAZING ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE TOO-SOON-DEPARTED ENSIGN WALLACE. AFTER ALL, RIKER REMEMBERS HIM SO FONDLY HE MUST HAVE BEEN A PRETTY TERRIFIC GUY. I MEAN, SURE THERE WERE..."
Looks like whoever it was just wrote up a generic bunch of text, and stopped "scrolling" at certain points to make the readout look different for each person. For this last one he got to the end of the text, and hey, it was probably one of the last things he did before clearing out his desk...
Mark
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
You know, at no point in the episode does anyone actually say this ceremony has anything to do with the Federation. Troi at the end even says this alliance will "lead to" the Federation. So what's the deal?
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
"The League of Planets?"
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Which would have lasted only a few months as it was already 2161.
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
Or perhaps they choose a name so bad six months later they all vote to rename it. Maybe it was the 'Association of Reasonably Sentient Entities' and they realised what the acronym was. Anyone got any other ideas?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Coalition of Lifeforms Indigenous Throughout Our Region of Interstellar Space?
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: This is what a 19" monitor is MEANT for.
Mine is only 17", but I can read it too if I get close enough...
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: SEE NOW NICE AND SHORT
Minor nit: "HOW"...
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: SO THAT IT LOOKS LIKE REGULAR ENGLISH LANGUAGE.
Minor nit: "USAGE"...
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
Stop bragging, it's not becoming.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
The packaging of fragile items evolves little between now and then. The case Trip's stuff was being put in was the same kind we use for cameras at school.
And I think the Enterprise-D turbolift was way off, but I don't have pictures or anything.
Also, I miss Data
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
I miss Data also... I broke a smile when he talked to Troi via the comm system.
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN: Coalition of Lifeforms Indigenous Throughout Our Region of Interstellar Space?
What would the acronym of this be?
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
CoLITORoIS. Tim is a fool.
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
Is this the first time we see anything besides stars outside someone's windows on the E-D? I'm referring to the asteroids floating past Troi's windows, of course. I do remember seeing them go to warp from the perspective of 10 Forward once, but as far as I know, we haven't ever seen anything physical before.
B.J.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I'm prety sure we've seen an explosion out a window. Picard watching the terrorist ship fly off in "Starship Mine", possibly? FX budgets being what they are though, it was easier just to use the curtain with the glitter on it.
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
I think that we see the 'Pi' 9the defecting romulan fellas starship) blow up out of the briefing room window.
Besides, the colatiton etc, works if you ignore the lower case letters when you pronoounce it (just like with any other acronym). Bloody nit pickers.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Ginger Beacon: I think that we see the 'Pi' 9the defecting romulan fellas starship) blow up out of the briefing room window.
The Pi was the Romulan scoutship that crashed on Galorndon Core in "The Enemy". We never got a name for Admiral Jarok's getaway vehicle.
quote:Bloody nit pickers.
You were saying? Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
Err...whoops.
Of course, there's nothing to say that it wasn't called the Pi. (yes folks, that's the sound of a large hole being made)
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Besides, the colatiton etc, works if you ignore the lower case letters when you pronoounce it (just like with any other acronym)."
I'm pretty sure Cartman knew that. What he was doing is called "being a git".
As for seeing things out of windows, La Forge looked at the Edo "god" through a lounge window, but I don't recall whether the audience actually got to see it, or not.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Not when Geordi was offering one of his amazingly insightful, er, insights ("It's amazing. It's like nothing I've ever seen before. I am not being useful at all"), but when Picard bought up almost naked girl to look at the god-ship she was looking through a window, and we saw it too.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I don't think the expense of putting up a blue curtain instead of a black one was particularly crippling.
(Yes, yes, all that compositing is/was expensive and time consuming, I know.)
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
In the courtroom drama episode where Data has a terrible beard and Riker pulls his arm off(The Measure of a Man) we see the Tango Sierra Station from the observation room windows, as well as seeing the Enterprise from the station windows.
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
In BoBW we see the nebula the Enterprise is hiding in through the windows at Ten-Forward
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
And in "The Child", we see first a planet, then a warp effect through the 10-Forward windows, supposedly moving in synch with the movements of the ship. (The entry to warp takes a lot of time compared with other episodes, though. Either the dialogue between Guinan and Wesley actually takes place simultaneously with the bridge dialogue calling for warp departure, or then the time from orders to depart orbit at warp to actual warping is always this long, and simply is cut for time in most episodes.)
Yeah, the windows in TNG really are supposed to be windows. Or at least they don't filter anything out, or display different viewpoints at different times, or do other viewscreeny things. Perhaps they have some sort of a magnifying and color-adjusting effect, though.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
I think they can also dim them
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I recall an interview with a writer (possibly Ron Moore) who mentioned that if the budget was tight in an episode, they'd slightly adjust the ship so that it would be at impulse rather than warp, to save them having to bluescreen the effect in.
Of course, this is balanced by those episodes where they felt the need to put the warp reflection in the observation lounge table. Show offs.
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
Okay, so I've been corrected. It's been a while. It was still cool to see the asteroids floating by outside the window, though.
B.J.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Thinking about it, didn't we see asteroids outside the window in, er, "The Pegasus"?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
on the viewscreen, definitely. I don't know about out the windows though.
Speaking of seeing rock, here's what's always bugged me about the asteroid in The Pegasus... When they cloak/phase their way out of the asteroid, they do such a good job of showing the inside of the rock on the viewscreen... but the bridge is still visable... Shouldn't the rock be going through every compartment of the ship as well? How cool would it have been to see the rock show up on the viewscreen, and a moment later see it rush through the front wall of the bridge. They could've easily cut to a shot of the ship coming out of the asteroid right away to save the tedium of a dark screen for 30 seconds...
Posted by Davok (Member # 143) on :
We did see asteroids through the Observation Lounge windows in "The Pegasus", although they didn't look as cool as those in TATV, of course.
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
I miss the Enterprise-D...
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), behind the three dudes to the left. I tried to capture a frame where you can also see the new one. And, believe me, I'll never be able to watch this scene again without noticing. Oh, and one of the three guys is actually Captain Picard himself, but you can't see him on this particular screencap.
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