Dont know if there are specific plans, but that's probably your best bet.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
I think a set was put out at the time of TMP, but i don't recall the exact title. You can just do a generic search on ebay though.
Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
A fella by the name of David Schmidt in Canada made up a set of deck plans. They're not totally accurate, but the only deck plan set I've ever seen. The TMP set only gives you views of the bridge and I think the officers lounge, but not much of anything else in the way of interior views. The David Schmidt set is pretty nice, IMO. Not a bad buy if you can get your hands on them.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Didn't our one-time comrade Ryan McReynolds particpate in the creation of some deck plans from this era, as well? And I don't think he was the only one. But, then, I am often wrong.
Posted by AH_Solid_Snake (Member # 1624) on :
thanks for the multitude of replies everyone, does this David Schmidt have a website or email address for me to get the plans or does anyone have them saved that could email me them?
Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
Sent you a PM, dude.
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
Why in the world is there a bridge on Deck 19 in the Engineering section? I can understand the emergency bridge in the Saucer section.
Posted by AH_Solid_Snake (Member # 1624) on :
To my understanding it was possible for the constitution class cruisers to separate the primary hull and even for it to land, the secondary hull in that case would need some kind of control facility.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I want the ST:V version where the Enterprise has 72 decks.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
quote: To my understanding it was possible for the constitution class cruisers to separate the primary hull and even for it to land, the secondary hull in that case would need some kind of control facility.
...Or then just a big demolition charge.
I mean, the secondary hull wouldn't have much left to control after separation, lacking impulse drive and all. The ship isn't supposed to become two through separation, it's supposed to become half!
Still, it would be useful to have "bridges" all over the ship, in both hulls, for non-separated combat operations. The ship could plausibly go on fighting with half the saucer gone; such damage would destroy both the primary and secondary saucer bridges, but a secondary hull facility could carry on the fighting.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
The saucer (supposedly) could seperate as an emergency measure and was capable of planetfall, but I don't think the ship was ever intended to operate that way. Saucer reconnection would've been impossible without a starbase facility. I remember reading this somewhere.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
There is a storyboard layout for an alternate endinf to TMP where the Klingons disinigrated by V'Ger were restored, open fireon the Enterprise's secondary gull and the saucer alone goes after them.....and then the end credits roll.
Thankfully this was not used, as it looks like shit even on the storyboards and the saucer operating alone looks like something from the old Lost in Space TV show.
It would ave been a awful way to end the (already awful at times) movie.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
It's not really even an ending...
Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
It was meant to be one of those "... and the journey continues..." type of endings.
I thought it would have been kinda kewel to see. Massive damage to the secondary hull, but Earths defenses are down and there are no other starships in range to stop the Klingon ships from laying waste to Earth. Who ya gonna call? Kirk-man and the (half a) starship Enterprise! Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
While deck plans are elusive.. there is always, the Cut-away poster.... The Cut-Away Enterprise-A pagehas a large,though preview-quality picture of David Kimble's poster.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: I want the ST:V version where the Enterprise has 72 decks.
In 1/2500th scale? Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
BTW, where is the lounge area that has the Sailing Ship Wheel (and an emergency communication's device) seen in STV.
Seriously everything seen in STV, I reckon, Is "Dream" - from when the three go to sleep at their camp site - until we see them again at the end at the camp site.
It's all some sort of Vulcan dream-link between the three of them - possibly brought on by the imbibing of Dr. McCoy's Bourbon beans. It all works - I might right a short article on this.
Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
Well, it would certainly make the movie more palatable if that were the case. Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Riker suddenly popping up from behind one of the bushes and saying "Computer, end program" would have made it more palatable too.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Shut the fuck up, you guys. Apart from a few brief moments of excess, STV was great and managed to re-capture the spirit of TOS better than any of the other films. Give me that over the bloated, plot-hole-ridden, politically-pretentious Undiscovered Country or the mindless space battles of Nemesis any day.
Why the hell does everyone like to bitch about this film, anyway? Surely it can't seriously be because the deck numbers in one extremely short sequence were wacky. That's crazy-talk.
And at what times, exactly, was TMP "awful"???
-MMoM Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Well, if the topic of the discussion is "Refit Enterprise deck plans", then it sounds like the scene about deck numbers, however brief, is what makes or breaks the movie, right?
...Although to be sure, this wasn't exactly a "refit" Enterprise. Or then it was. But that argument, too, belongs under a different topic header.
Timo Saloniemi
P.S. And ST5:TFF was a great movie. In theory. Now, if one just reshot all the VFX, redid all the sets, recut all the scenes, and reanimated all these undead actors wandering through the script...
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: Shut the fuck up, you guys. Apart from a few brief moments of excess, STV was great and managed to re-capture the spirit of TOS better than any of the other films. Give me that over the bloated, plot-hole-ridden, politically-pretentious Undiscovered Country or the mindless space battles of Nemesis any day.
Well someone is taking a little light-hearted joking way too seriously.
AH_Solid_Snake, one of the posters here used to have a website that had a work-in-progress feature which used David Schmidt's deckplans for the refit-Constitution class Enterprise (I can't remember if it was the NCC-1701 or the -A, though). Gerard - Gilso is his name, but I don't think he's been around recently. I don't think his site is back up yet, either.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
It is too bad how Mim is a crazy person.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Siegfried: Gerard - Gilso[/URL] is his name, but I don't think he's been around recently. I don't think his site is back up yet, either.
Didn't Gilso post a couple of months ago saying his site was coming back?
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Yeah, he posted a thread about that back in February. He said it was dependent on finding a host that offered enough storage space for his site and reconstructing some lost graphics, though. Since the web address for his site turns up nothing, I'm guessing he's still looking.
Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: Shut the fuck up, you guys.
I will if you'll unclench a bit, Kris. It was all meant in jest, methinks. At least, my comment was.
quote: Apart from a few brief moments of excess, STV was great and managed to re-capture the spirit of TOS better than any of the other films. Give me that over the bloated, plot-hole-ridden, politically-pretentious Undiscovered Country or the mindless space battles of Nemesis any day.
I agree. ST:VI is alright, but there wasn't any real "feel" for the characters. At least, not like you got from Kirk, Spock and McCoy from ST:V. THAT felt like TOS more than any of the other movies, except maybe TWoK.
quote:Why the hell does everyone like to bitch about this film, anyway? Surely it can't seriously be because the deck numbers in one extremely short sequence were wacky. That's crazy-talk.
That's one of my issues. Another is the hangar deck looking small, more like a two-car garage than the large area it should have been. The semi-goofiness of Enterprise as she's hanging in orbit, tons of panels open because this new ship has tons of problems after just being - in theory - completely ready for "sailing" after being released from post-production trials, that whole forward observation lounge on the saucer rim with ships wheel that couldn't possible exist on the ship as she appears in the movie, a "captains log" that "sproings!" like an over-wound childs toy, "We need Jim Kirk" wasn't exactly a convincing line delivered by Harve Bennett to me, *yeah, the turbolift shaft numbering thing still bugs the crap out of me(!)[8]*[/b] and corny scene w/Scotty's line "I know this ship like the back of my hand!" just before he bangs his head on the support bulkhead.
Those all bug me, but most of them didn't the first couple of times I saw the movie. Still, certain aspects did and still do to some extent. However, I don't generally comment on ST:V being a bad movie, as I still like it after prolly two dozen viewings since it first released in the theaters.
quote:And at what times, exactly, was TMP "awful"???
-MMoM
When the original released plodded on and on and on and on... Stil, I liked it even then, tho it took some patience for me to watch. I think the main problem a lot of folks have with it is because it wasn't exactly action oriented, moves fairly slowly and has those uni-sex uniforms for the crew. I liked it for those reasons, tho. It didn't feel rushed, even tho you were left w/the feeling that Enterprise was indeed rushed out of drydock.
Just my opinion, anyhow....
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: Shut the fuck up, you guys. Apart from a few brief moments of excess, STV was great and managed to re-capture the spirit of TOS better than any of the other films. Give me that over the bloated, plot-hole-ridden, politically-pretentious Undiscovered Country or the mindless space battles of Nemesis any day.
I thought I was the only one with those gripes about STVI! Spock's entire "they've depleted their ozone layer" on ONE planet, so they're INTERSTELLAR EMPIRE is DOOMED bit was just...dumb. No one using phasers is a personal complaint of mine as well. As is the waaay overboard Naval comparisons: like "turn her into the wave!"- um.....the ship can travel faster than light, the (two dimensional!) "wave" can not, so why not just go to warp? Why have the federation starships all adopted 20th century military submarine decor and policies when things are obviously more relaxed (and spacious!) in TOS...hell- in TMP!?
quote: Why the hell does everyone like to bitch about this film, anyway? Surely it can't seriously be because the deck numbers in one extremely short sequence were wacky. That's crazy-talk.
The campfire scenes were nice and invoked good characterization of longtime friendship, but the rest of the movie is shit. I agree with all of Griffwork's complaints plus the moronic "jet boots".... I winced at those as a kid watching it in the theatre. The "made for TV" look of the poorly-named pardise city (at a time when that lame song was a hit), and the awful, rushed happy-ending all make STV even worse than Nemesis.
quote:And at what times, exactly, was TMP "awful"??? -MMoM
In sooo many places! Firstly, it screams "made in the 1970's!" at every turn- particularly McCoy's (painful to watch) new-age get-up with beard and open shirt with big collar and disco chains. Mabye Travolta is a cultural icon in the future. The car radios on their waists is goofy and the old "only ship in range although we are not ready" was lame back then- even before they re-used it a hundred times. Ilea's character gets tougher to stomach with each passing year- as does the actress' "robot" voice. She sounds right out of a Futurama episode.
There are some nice moments to the movie (particularly in the Director's Edition) and I like how the new Enterprise is showcased and is sapcious inside (a big gripe I have with the later movies), but the director seems to have been going for a 2001 feel and that just does not work for Trek. Trek is about action and suspense as part of the story, and TMP never really delivers any.
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
What was with the whole 'look' of TFF anyway? I don't mean the sets/costumes etc, I mean what shitty film were they using? You get exactly the same thing with the third Indiana Jones. It's especialy noticable in the scenes with bright sunlight and desert (in both friggin movies). Hadn't they heard of filters then? Good grief!
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Firstly, it screams "made in the 1970's!" at every turn-
I have never really understood this argument. You could say the exact same thing about Star Wars, or pretty much anything, for that matter. I mean, does not every production to some extent reflect the aesthetic values of the time period it was made during? Did not TOS scream "made in the 1960s!"? Did not TNG scream "made in the 1980s!"? For me, the fact that a film looks dated has seldom kept me from enjoying it if it's well made.
quote:Trek is about action and suspense as part of the story, and TMP never really delivers any.
I beg to differ. From the onset, with opening sequence of the Klingons encountering V'Ger, to the climax in Earth orbit, there were both.
quote:Originally posted by The Ginger Beacon: What was with the whole 'look' of TFF anyway? I don't mean the sets/costumes etc, I mean what shitty film were they using? You get exactly the same thing with the third Indiana Jones. It's especialy noticable in the scenes with bright sunlight and desert (in both friggin movies). Hadn't they heard of filters then? Good grief!
I'm not quite sure of what you're referring to. As a matter of fact, I always thought that the cinematography of TFF was (on a technical level) rather good, barring one or two poor matte shots. And I can't off-handedly recall *anything* shitty-looking about Last Crusade, either.
-MMoM Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
It's hard to explain - mayby it's just me. There are a number of shot that I think look as if they were kind of artificial(?). While there is nothing wrong with the cinematography in general, there a few shots in TFF that made me think that it looked like it was made for TV rather than for the big screen.
I dunno, mayby i'm bitching at nothing. I certainly can't pin it down. The one bit of the Last Crusade I'm thinking of is a pan over a beautiful white desert (i think with our heroes at the top of a cliff). There is someting that bugs me about the 'look' of that shot.
Sorry Mim, I don't think I'm being very helpful.
On the whole, I do like TFF, it is very tounge in cheek original star trek. Mayby people were just fed up of styrofoam rocks by 1989?
As for the 70's look of TMP, what a load. Just because the film took its time and filled the screen with minutes of sfx, I think that that aded to the tension in the directors cut. I can understand why some people feel that the original cut was boring though, even if i don't agree.
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