Sorry it's on Geocities, but the price was right. Thanks! Jb
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Not bad. Are you sure you have the deck count right though? It seems like you made the ship a tad large. I don't think that a shuttle would be that small in comparison to the ship.
Also, it seem like the Warp Trasfer Conduits would follow the angle of the nacelle pylons. Though I do like the railings you have on each deck that presumably encircle the conduit as it goes down.
Pretty cool.
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
JB,
1) Your MSD looks like a more detailed reversal of one I already have (although your's is clearer).
2) I have a copy of the above mentioned pic, as well as another, cruder one. Private message me if you'd like me to email them to you.
3) Too many decks - should be around 11 or 12.
4) The warp pylons should'nt have decks in them, they're only there to support the nacelles and internal machinery.
5) Overall: a pretty good attempt. I look forward to the next.
Posted by Jb (Member # 724) on :
I based this MSD on the cutaway produced by Jackill, with some additions on my own, (such as a little thing called a warp core;)). Looking at it from an objective viewpoint, there are too many decks. But I do not see why there can not be decks in the pylons leading to the warp nacelles, they are certainly large enough. Thanks for the feedback! Jb
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
A swimming pool. Now there's something you don't see on every MSD. Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jb: But I do not see why there can not be decks in the pylons leading to the warp nacelles, they are certainly large enough.
Yeah they are - from the side. If you look at them from the front or the back, then they aren't that wide. They only have enough room for the warp transfer conduit and Jeffries tubes (I think anyways).
quote:Originally posted by Jb: Thanks for the feedback!
Any time mate, I'm happy to oblige!
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
There should be phaser banks somewhere on the lower saucer, close to the center, if you go by that pic of the Picard Manuver in the Encycl. Should be torpedo launcher(s) somewhere, too, probably.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
That looks really good, Jb. I like the touch of having the swimming pool drawn in. It reminds me of Shane Johnson's cutaway for the movie-era Enterprise. At least you've put the pool in a well-protected area, unless Johnson did.
About the torpedo launchers, somewhere a while back I saw pictures of the studio model (it had been redesignated as the USS Valkyrie and was in an exhibit). Pictures of the top of the nacelle pylon showed what looked to be torpedo tubes. Since the model was mounted upside down, that would place the torpedos on the bottom pylon (at the least).
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
I thought we decided a while back that those were torpedo launchers and that the upper pylon had the same structure and also had torpedo launchers there as well, making the class have 4 forward torpedo launchers. We still haven't decided about any aft launchers yet.
And there are phaser banks on the lower half of the saucer. Pics of the model support that. And they are roughly in the same position as the phasers on the Connie, Miranda, and Soyuz classes.
[ January 04, 2002: Message edited by: Dat ]
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
There is a thin little protrusion at the top of both of the "T" junctions, if it is indeed a torpedoe tube that means that there are at least 2 forward facing launchers.
I always figured that the Constellation's launchers were in that rotating turret on the ventral side.
[ January 04, 2002: Message edited by: Reverend ]
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
I think the main body should have only four decks, considering that it's twice as thick as on the Constitution. Maybe six decks could fit in, but the deck height would be less than 3m. Otherwise it's definitely a ship I'd like to serve on. Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Umm, all of Jackill's cutaway views tend to have amenities like swimming pools and botanical gardens - even those of the Oberth class!
The many available photographs of the Constellation model show six phaser turrets (3x2) both on the dorsal and ventral sides of the hull, just like in the Mirandas and Constitutions. Then there are five extra turrets on the dorsal side, spread evenly on the rim of the curved hull top, just inboard of the flat part. So that's 17 turrets total. Then there's that cannonlike thing glued to the bottom (plus two mechas waiting for deployment..). And yes, the standard Constitution torpedo decks seem to have been used on both pylon junctions, giving 2+2 forward tubes. They just aren't painted and lit like in the Enterprise model. Nor are the impulse crystals painted or lit.
Surely this model wasn't a kitbash of commercially available Constitution parts (even if the study model in Picard's ready room was) - it's too big for that. But it seems Jein had access to some of the molds of the Constitution.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
IIRC, Timo, many of the Connie parts were molded (or molds reused) for details on the Constellation Class. But yes, the studio model of the Constellation would be far to big to be an actual kitbash.
I think the Model in Picard's ready room was made by adding some thinkness between the two halves of the saucer and using some spare parts to make up the struts and secondary hull. Four Connie nacelles were used and probably the two torp launchers from the two models needed for the nacelles.
You guys have probably figured all that out already, though, huh? Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
How do you know how big the studio miniature is, Timo? I've always been under the impression that it was built of parts from AMT movie Enterprises, mech model kit, and a small amount of custom bits.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
The different parts of the model being different from the Connie counterparts immediately suggest it's not made from any plastic or resin model kits of the Connie Enterprise or any other model. The saucer is differently shape, not to mention the "slopes" of the saucer or the different thickness. The nacelles are also different as weill the bridge module.
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
The thing I'd really like to know is what they did with the aft end of the nacelles to give them that squared off appearance. They either:
a) Trimmed the ends off leaving the nacelles slightly shorter than a Miranda. Or...
b) Built them up so they're the same length but don't taper.
I've never been completely convinced of either alternative. There are various schematics that support either and the photos of the model I've seen are unconclusive.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I've seen pictures of the Constellation studio model. It's quite big. Large enough to house all the supports and electronics needed to mount and light it.
Posted by Jb (Member # 724) on :
I'd like to get a look at those pics, I like the studio models... I heard the Ambassador model was dropped, this being the reason we never saw it during the Dominion war... Regards Jb
BTW:Thanks for the feedback on my pic.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Hmmmmm...ok, I think I still have some scans that people have posted at home.... maybe.
I'm sure you can find the same pics at the Starship Modeler's site....anyone got a link for that place?
[ January 10, 2002: Message edited by: Aban Rune ]
Posted by Jack_Crusher (Member # 696) on :
I can't see the picture because I am getting a message that the page can't be found. Can somebody email me the picture @ [email protected]? thankx
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
its because J.B. old boy put it on Geocities, who dont like people using their webspace to simply post pictures on message boards because it fucks them out of the all valuable you-seeing-their-pop-up-window-and-immediately-closing-it-without-reading-it-or-giving-a-shit advertising time.
try visiting his website http://www.geocities.com/msdman2002/, and then type in the extra ' constellationclass.jpg ' at the end of the address and it will show it to you.
And hopefully jb will realize he's annoying us by doing this and just link us to his site and make a small html file for his picture next time. you DO want to stop upsetting us, dont you jb?
in fact i'll write it for you {html} {head} {title}Constellation MSD{/title} {/head} {body} {img SRC="constellationclass.jpg"} {/body} {/html}
replace all the '{' with '<' and the '}' with '>', name the file, put it on your site, and link to it so we dont have to deal with geo-madness anymore, hmm?
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
The Constellation class studio model definetely can't be a kitbash. I've seen the "Valkyrie" model at the Star Trek Exhibition in Cologne a couple of years back. The Model was about 1.5 meters long. No chance of any AMT parts being used on that one.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
a kitbash by any other name...
The term kitbash as referring to the Constell. is accurate. It wasnt made from pieces of the AMT or any model kit, but instead probably from pieces created from the Constitution molds (explaining the size) But its still kitbashed, just not from an actual 'kit'
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