Hi. Now, i'm working at the Olympic Class MSD. But i have again a problem. Where should i set the Warpcore?
Here a re to versions by me. I think the second vers. is better because the warp core can be faster ejected in a emergency. What do you think?
Lobo
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Yeah the second option looks best. If you want to do something different you could make the warpcore twice as tall, so the deuterium tanks can be housed in that dorsal hump.
Posted by Intruder1701 (Member # 880) on :
Yeah, most of the ships keep their warp cores in the secondary hull
Posted by Starship Millennium (Member # 822) on :
What about laying it horizontally along the spine of the ship? Or making the engine core and nacelles a self-contained, ejectable unit like the Belknap class from SotSF?
Posted by Akira (Member # 850) on :
Id mirror the warp core so you have room for the Deflector dish
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
I think that the warp core should be horizontal with the M/ARC at the spot where the warp pylon would intersect--- check it out... most MSDs already show that the core is at the spot.
Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
1. The ventral sphere phaser array is quite high. You've got it about 50% of the way between the sphere centerline and the weird inset divit thingy. But, on the model, the phaser array was about 75% of the way down. http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/mechanics/pasteur-model2.jpg
Do you think that might be a through-deck bay of some sort? Having a substantial shuttling capability would make a fair bit of sense for a medical ship.
A. A horizontal core along the vessel centerline, housed in the "strongback" where the nacelle pylons connect to the rest of the ship. I like this idea . . . it's a little off-the-wall, but would make sense insofar as a medical ship trying to be as roomy as possible (hence their choice of a sphere). It also has the advantage of allowing you to put the deuterium tanks right under the impulse deck. The antimatter pods could be placed beneath the brown square at the back of the strongback, with the core itself being beneath what could be Space Shuttle-style doors forward of that brown square, in an area normally assumed to be connection hardpoints.
Or, alternately, you could postulate an as-yet-unseen ejection door on the back of the strongback, which would send the core sailing over the shuttlebay.
B. A standard vertical core could be placed beneath the brown square. This has the advantage of allowing a shorter trip for the drive plasma, but I'm not sure how to arrange the reactant tanks. You could put the antimatter nearby, just under the hull in the flat section, with the matter tank in the forward area of the strongback (meaning it still wouldn't be far away from the impulse deck).
Anyway, just a thought.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
That is such a brilliant ship. I love it. Why couldn't they have given us the Olympic class on DS9!?! Orbiting DS9 would have been perfect instead of something like the bloody little Yeager Class!
Andrew
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
Actually, that's a point; why did we never see a single hospital ship in however many years of war? And the MSDs are brilliant BTW.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
The insert on the side of the Pastuer, below the nacelles, isn't a door. You can see a little hole on the one side of it, which is supposed to be a shuttlepod docking port. The rest of the insert merely just gives a location to put the name of the ship.
Also notice there may be another shuttlebay door on the very bottom of the sphere, underneath the deflector. I however don't know if there's enough room down there to actually store anything.
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
That second door may just be a cargo-loading hatch. The Galaxy-class had quite a few.
Very nice MSD - very clean.
Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
*notices that starships seem to be powered by Smiley faces now...*
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
All you need is love.
About that side door: on the Voyager, all the docking ports on the primary hull rim are inset this way. Rick S has suggested that these doors can admit bulky cargo (which would be a good idea, since they apparently *are* used for cargo loading - note how a cargo bay was de-Borgified in "Scorpion II" by opening the side door). It would make quite a bit of sense for the whole inset area to be a sliding door, with the docking port moving along with it.
This doesn't mean one should drive shuttlecraft through this door, even if it were big enough. Not all the big rolling or sliding doors on a real warship are for taking in helicopters or boats or ACVs, even when big enough.
Given the nature of the Pasteur's mission, I think the ship could make do with a *drastically* smaller computer. Perhaps there wouldn't even be a centralized computer core in the spherical hull section at all - it could be wholly dedicated to the mission, and all the engineering paraphernalia stowed away in the secondary hull.
If the sphere needs to carry support systems, these could be on the decks that lack windows, a bit above the lower phaser level on the lower hemisphere, and on deck 8 and 11 or so on the upper hemisphere.
If the ship is going to receive lots of casualties, I suggest lots and lots of transporter platforms, too. And the shuttlebay could have large adjoining triage facilities and be optimized for rapid offloading of the wounded. Say, there could be a priority turboshaft from the shuttlebay to the surgery decks in the main hull.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
Lycos. My server seems to really hate yours, Lobo.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Timo: All you need is love.
About that side door: on the Voyager, all the docking ports on the primary hull rim are inset this way. Rick S has suggested that these doors can admit bulky cargo (which would be a good idea, since they apparently *are* used for cargo loading - note how a cargo bay was de-Borgified in "Scorpion II" by opening the side door). It would make quite a bit of sense for the whole inset area to be a sliding door, with the docking port moving along with it.
When I first saw Scorpion II, I knew this was an error... the effects shot for the ejecting of the borg from that hatch is SO wrong. The borg are WAY too tiny for that 'hatch'. The round hatch is a docking-bay hatch - as seen used in "Caretaker" when docked at DS9.
The effects guys stuffed up. That area is only roughly a deck high. They've crammed god-knows-what into that circle area.
And as for the Olympic, I reckon the saucer... err sphere can detatch in emergencies. (It'd look cool!)
I also think there might be the possibility of having two warp-cores a la Voyager. (Don't ask me why!) Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Re: sphere separation
But how does it land? On perfectly level ground only?
Re: two warp cores
To power up hordes and hordes of EMHs?
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Grokca (Member # 722) on :
The smilieface below the turbolift shaft, is that the psych. ward?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
This is just terrific work. I would agree that most of the main mission-specific areas would be in the sphere. I can even see a whole deck devoted to a large scale trauma ward of some kind. I could even see the captain's quarters being housed in the secondary hull on this ship. Perhaps those four large windows in the lowest row at the front tip of the engineering hull?
Whatever the case, you're doing a bang-up job so far.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Definitely! Ahem, but there's a better forum for this. Sorry about the late response. Moving now.
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