Ok just testing the waters here This is a 4600 poly model for use in Star Fleet Command. Some mesh and much texture work still to be done.
At 220 meters in length, the Antares Class is equally adept at patrol, supply, and short duration exploration missions. Capable of carrying a small standard cargo pod, the Antares is utilized mainly for supplying outposts in high risk areas of the Federation.
This is a hypothetical design by Bjo Trimble for the USS Antares in the TOS episode "Charlie X". I used the excellent 4-view drawing by "Kris" found at: http://www.trekships.org/antares.htm
[ February 20, 2003, 03:18 PM: Message edited by: Charles Capps ]
Posted by Lord Schtupp (Member # 980) on :
Well "vogon poet" was already taken..
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
rotfl
Regarding the ship, this is nice model. Although I don't like some element of design, the model itself is very good. It looks like it was made by Rick Knox himself Although... some weathering on hull wouldn't hurt Posted by Lord Schtupp (Member # 980) on :
Whos Rick Knox lol
Most of the mesh is bare now but soon all will be covered. This will be my first ship that will have medium weathering using a new technique that I learned from ... hehe...Rick Knox (p81).
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
That ship looks eerily familiar...
If you ask really nicely I may be able to show you what the hull looks like without the nacelle in the way and maybe...just maybe I'll be able to swing you some original image maps for the pennants and the cargo landing grid. Posted by Capt_Spencer (Member # 312) on :
Starfleet Command... and Bridge Commander too, I hope?? lol
Posted by Charles Capps (Member # 9) on :
Congrats, Lee, you found a bug.
[ February 20, 2003, 03:51 PM: Message edited by: Charles Capps ]
Posted by Lord Schtupp (Member # 980) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reverend: That ship looks eerily familiar...
If you ask really nicely I may be able to show you what the hull looks like without the nacelle in the way and maybe...just maybe I'll be able to swing you some original image maps for the pennants and the cargo landing grid.
Ahh hah! The Creator of the Awesome Drawing. lol - I was gonna email you hwen I had more textures done and the mesh completed. i swear...
Yes - by all means - i would really like to see any detail dwgs you may have. Because of the poly limits for the game it is not as finely detailed as it deserves to be but I will do my best.
The impulse engs still needs to be meshed. black/yellow stripe boxes around the left/right phasers I dont like so i will trsh that, it was just an experiment.
I think the only major area i deviated from your dwg is the structure underneath the warp pylons that appears in the original Bjo drawing but not in your plans. Its just an addon and i was debating whether to keep it or not.
Thanks Rev and all for your feedback!
Posted by Lord Schtupp (Member # 980) on :
quote:Originally posted by Capt_Spencer: Starfleet Command... and Bridge Commander too, I hope?? lol
Yes , both. DarkMatrix has done the BC conversions of my ships in the past and will probably do this one as well...
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
quote:Originally posted by Charles Capps: Congrats, Lee, you found a bug.
Woohoo! 8)
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Sweet momma, I love this ship.
Posted by Grokca (Member # 722) on :
Very nice.
Shame the little basterd blew it up.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote: Yes - by all means - i would really like to see any detail dwgs you may have. Because of the poly limits for the game it is not as finely detailed as it deserves to be but I will do my best.
Here's a start, I worked out the cargo pad's layout quite a while ago with the intention of doing a mesh with either Kenny (10 Bellies) or The Red Admiral, but since none of us have gotten around to it yet you can use it and see what I had in mind when I drew the schematics. If you tell me how big the maps need to be I can e-mail you the pad markings separately.
Since the shuttlebay was going to be largely obscured by the nacelle most of what you see here was only done roughly as a reference for when it came to doing the aft view, so don't worry too much about the bad curves on the bay doors. Secondary hull
quote: The impulse engs still needs to be meshed.
I found that the impulse engines were the most difficult part to draw on this ship for many reasons and I'm still not happy with the results, so if you can figure it out then you're a cleverer man than I.
quote: black/yellow stripe boxes around the left/right phasers I dont like so i will trsh that, it was just an experiment.
That's ok, I know what the WIP process entails. I know the phasers are very difficult to see so here's a closer view.
Most of these are mounted on a curved part of the hull so the side view isn't perfectly square like it should be.
quote: I think the only major area i deviated from your dwg is the structure underneath the warp pylons that appears in the original Bjo drawing but not in your plans. Its just an addon and i was debating whether to keep it or not.
Yeah that is something that I ultimately decided to drop very early on in the process. For the simple reason that it made the aft end seam too bulky and cumbersome where I wanted it to have a more slender, streamlined look.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Just felt I should point out that Bjo Trimble didn't do the drawing from the Concordance. It was submitted by a fan artist, Brian Pimenta.
BTW, I really like this design a lot. (The fact that I think the "real" Antares was NCC-501 and looked like the Xhosa notwithstanding... )
-MMoM Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
Very nice! I've always liked this design and the model is excellent. Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: (The fact that I think the "real" Antares was NCC-501 and looked like the Xhosa notwithstanding... )
Well, you're just crazy anyways.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Indeed. Certifiable.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
That's just crazy talk.
Posted by Endeavour3d (Member # 901) on :
if only they designed the NX-01 like that...*sigh*
btw, I know who Rick Knox is Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
They (meaning John Eaves) did. TPTB wanted something "sleeker". I hope to hound Eaves about it when I meet him in June and mabye he'll describe the rejected ship designs to me: I know one of them had a sphere forward section (although not the Deadalus). I really really doubt that we'll get to see the proposed thumbnail drawings Eaves did now that the ST Mag is gone (or really soon to be). Anybody live within driving distance of North Carolina? Eaves is going to be at Wonderfest this year along with Ray Harryhousen. Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
There were a bunch of early sketches at that London exhibition. None of them looked any promising, IMNSHO.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote: if only they designed the NX-01 like that...*sigh*
If you have catamarans, you probably should make them a lot thinner!
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Reverend, I think you left out an "N" -- shouldn't that be Akirantares? Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote: If you have catamarans, you probably should make them a lot thinner!
Twas merely drawn in jest my good man and a long time ago at that
quote: Reverend, I think you left out an "N" -- shouldn't that be Akirantares?
Quiet you! I'll spell my parodies however I damn well please. Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reverend:
quote: If you have catamarans, you probably should make them a lot thinner!
Twas merely drawn in jest my good man and a long time ago at that
Thank GOD!
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
A warning first: you should implicitly assume that I'm completely in awe of the quality and beauty of this work. Because I am.
Now to criticism. Or rather, personal bias.
What's the deal with the ventral pod and the deflector dish? Doesn't seem to do the design much justice. And it can't be discerned in the original drawing anyway. The ship would look much prettier with either no deflector at all, or a small golden dish either mounted on a thin pole Saladin style or flattened a bit for mounting on the forward edge of the secondary hull.
The spinal "cargo pod" is a wonderful idea. But what about making more of the idea that it is a swappable unit? The original drawing has no saucer phasers. It does have a triangular "warning label" atop the spinal module. Perhaps this is the location of the sole dorsal phaser of the vessel? Perhaps you can take out the cargo pod and install an equally sized phaser device, with that single emitter? You could also downscale the whole ship a bit to make this type of limited armament more plausible.
If you want to maintain that this is the ship from "Charlie X", then a swappable module like that would jibe well with the alternating "science probe vessel" and "transport" designations of the ship. There could be a sensor module available as well...
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
"Twas merely drawn in jest my good man and a long time ago at that."
Timo: Ok first of all I'm not going back and redesigning my schematics since all the points you have raised there have already been discussed and the design was effectively frozen almost a year ago. I do appreciate the constructive criticism and I have by no means abandoned the Antares, in fact I have been tinkering with it lately and you should expect to see some shiny new plans in the next few months. But if you'd like to know the reasoning behind why the ship looks the way it does I'll tell you.
Deflector pod Early on in the process I did try several ways of attaching the deflector including, as you suggested, the FJ style mounting as well as several different ways of integrating it into the secondary hull. None of them looked very good and I was never satisfied with any of them. As you might guess the pod was my favourite solution mainly because it had never been done before (AFAIK) and it added alot of character to the design, it also reinforced the modular nature of the design and supported the apparent multi-role nature of the "Charlie X" ship. As an aside I thought that such modular components would be useful to a ship that could be operated by such a small crew (10 or 15 wasn't it?).
Cargo pod That is something that I always intended to me more modular and adaptable that it appears, I simply was not able to show that it is infact composed of several wedge shaped modules at that time. Also the ventral "wedge" was always supposed to be a sensor module with a downwards facing sensor array for scanning planetary surfaces while the two flanking pods were meant to be the cargo containers, hence their proximity to the airlock.
Phasers Again the look of these phaser banks were meant to look modular so they could be "un-plugged" and removed to allow the ship some flexibility in it's power needs and armaments, something that wouldn't be so easy with NX-01 style pop-up turrets. Oh and that red warning triangle is actually the symbol I took off a DS9 cargo label to represent Starfleet Transport Command's logo. Having no contact with the original artist I have no idea what his intention was here, so I took some artistic licence.
Scale I've already down scaled this once, I'm not about to go through all that hassle again.
quote: Originally posted by Masao: Someone was serious
Yikes, now that's what I call ugly.
Posted by Lord Schtupp (Member # 980) on :
Thank you very much Reverend and to all for the positive feedback. I found the detail dwgs extremly helpful Rev, esp the side view minus warp engine. Thanks a million Rev!
My intention is to adhere as closly as possible to Reverends plans for the uss antares, however I also want to build several derivetives of the basic design, such as a destroyer, light shuttle carrier, etc. that will let the basic design get more gameplay as Star Fleet Command allows many different ship classes. Feedback in the SFC forums has been extremly positive because Reverend's design has a "real TOS" look to her, unlike scads of other TOS designs that I have seen which most are basically Connie kitbashes.
Some of the design critique stated here has been echoed at the SFC forums, but as a fast and armed multipurpose supply/exploration/patrol ship, I find the design hard to beat.
Any suggestions and critiques regarding design will be taken into account for the Antares derived designs and will be much appreciated. Im glad i decided to post here, Gilso told me about flare last year and I found that you ppl like to discuss ship design and other "minutea" which is exactly what I had been wanting to participate in all along.
I will post some progress pics this weekend, concentrating on finishing the impulse engines and much of the texture work.
Thanks once again everybody!
Lord Schtupp
Posted by Lord Schtupp (Member # 980) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: Just felt I should point out that Bjo Trimble didn't do the drawing from the Concordance. It was submitted by a fan artist, Brian Pimenta.
BTW, I really like this design a lot. (The fact that I think the "real" Antares was NCC-501 and looked like the Xhosa notwithstanding... )
-MMoM
Thanks Mim I will make proper credit in the readme file with the finished model.
I recall that the original concordance drawing was NCC-717.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lord Schtupp: I recall that the original concordance drawing was NCC-717.
Yes, indeed.
Posted by Cassio (Member # 795) on :
Great modelling my friend ! If possible, I would like to have a copy of the high-res model when finished.
Best Regards,
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