Interesting. Spelling errors, though. I nknow, I know...it's a graphical thing intended to test an idea. But spelling errors!
Nice usage of the Hauck.
"P.W." Shelby? Does it stand for Pee Wee?
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Quite nice. Isn't Project Wildfire the codename for the secret lab in The Andromeda Strain?
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Cool design there.
Uh, wasn't Shelby's first name Elizabeth? And I mean established in BOBW, not the "New Frontier" novels I've never bothered to touch. Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
Very kewel, Kris! Lots of kewel in-jokes in that one. Interesting ideas for weapons in that Systems Summary list, too. "Zero Pointe Vacume Warhead"? I like the sound of that one.
The diagram of the "weapon" things for Saratoga from "Emissary" is very kewel. Wish I could make out the text! I also think that the last weapon on the Systems Summary list is a nice touch. Wonder what woulda happened if they'd used THAT!
"Siegfried", Project: Wildfire was indeed from "The Andromeda Strain".
"MinutiaeMan", Shelby's first name is given as Elizabeth, so maybe this is another "CMDR Shelby". Posted by Ahkileez (Member # 734) on :
"Zero Point Vacuum Warhead" seems like the definition for what a Quantum Torpedo is...
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote: The diagram of the "weapon" things for Saratoga from "Emissary" is very kewel. Wish I could make out the text!
You're not missing out on anything, it's just numerical jibberish.
quote: I also think that the last weapon on the Systems Summary list is a nice touch. Wonder what woulda happened if they'd used THAT!
The Wolf system would have a new, very small and very unstable planetoid I'd imagine.
quote: Project: Wildfire was indeed from "The Andromeda Strain".
I wouldn't know since I stole it from one of the Red Dwarf novels.
quote: Shelby's first name is given as Elizabeth, so maybe this is another "CMDR Shelby".
No, it's just me trusting gthe Encyclopedia too much.
quote: "Zero Point Vacuum Warhead" seems like the definition for what a Quantum Torpedo is...
That's the general idea, yes.
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quote: Shelby's first name is given as Elizabeth, so maybe this is another "CMDR Shelby".
No, it's just me trusting gthe Encyclopedia too much.
I have a confession to make: I failed to actually check my copy of the Trek Encyclopedia last night. There is no mention of Shelby's first name that i can find in it, just gives her entry as "Shelby, Lieutenant Commander", no other name info givn. Elizabeth Dennehy played the role of Shelby, which is where the first name for the character given in this thread likely comes from. I'm pretty sure that must be where I got it, anyhow. I'll make a point of watching the two-parter BoBW today or tomorrow and see if it actually gives her first name. Kinda doubt it, tho, as the Encyclopedia is usually pretty good about that sort of thing.... Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
it is a nice LCARS Rev. Have you tried using the 'new' colors? (I realize that you are setting the time frame for this one between the BoBW episodes).
I noticed in Nemesis that the LCARS 'buttons' seem to have bevelling - and I thought these might enhance the look even more.
Posted by Styrofoaman (Member # 706) on :
Nice.
Only quibble is that the DS9 tech manual said that quantum torps were tested in the '50s, so it is possible that there were a few units laying around ready to go.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote: it is a nice LCARS Rev. Have you tried using the 'new' colors? (I realize that you are setting the time frame for this one between the BoBW episodes).
As I said I don't do LCARS screens very often so I haven't yet looked at the more recent pallets that they have been using of late.
quote: noticed in Nemesis that the LCARS 'buttons' seem to have bevelling - and I thought these might enhance the look even more.
I'll probably incorporate that into a civilian data screen that I'm planning on making soon, but as you said this one is specifically dated to the TNG era so I can't very well use the bevelled look here.
quote: Only quibble is that the DS9 tech manual said that quantum torps were tested in the '50s, so it is possible that there were a few units laying around ready to go.
I know but on that timescale Starfleet should have had some Q-torps ready by BOBW so for this screen I'm saying that the project is still a projected 30 months from completion.
I suppose that I should at least point out that my idea of "Project: Wildfire" is a hastily assembled team charged with finding something, anything that can give the Federation a technological advantage over the Borg. This includes theoretical physics, acquired ancient technologies and what I have list here which is stalled, half forgotten or pie-in-the-sky weapons systems, some of which may have spent decades in mothballs. I was going to illustrate some of this in the communication but I edited it out so that I could make the text fit and be legible. It was something along the lines of; "Don't ask me what that last item is all about, it was an eleventh hour attachment made by someone on the Federation Security Council. I was told that it was for Captain Riker's eyes only and that I was not to ask any questions, I suggest you do the same." Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:"Don't ask me what that last item is all about, it was an eleventh hour attachment made by someone on the Federation Security Council. I was told that it was for Captain Riker's eyes only and that I was not to ask any questions, I suggest you do the same."
Ha! That's a good one! You should try to rearrange the LCARS framework a little bit (maybe stretch the whole canvas vertically) so you can fit that in... Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
My only remaining problem is that the Saratoga's outriggers were specifically stated by Okuda to be sensor booms. That, coupled with the fact that we didn't see them shooting those things at the Borg cube, leads me to believe they're not weapons.
--Jonah
Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
Playing Devil's Advocate here for the sake of Kris, but isn't it possible that they'd already fired their weapon and found that the Borg had already adapted to it due to Picard's knowledge? After all, the Battle at Wolf 359 occured some hours/days after Picard had been assimilated. He likely had reviewed the "Project: Wildfire" data, after all, so knew what to expect.
Of course, to do all this, you must dismiss what Mike Okuda said about those pods being sensor pods.
Just my thinking on the subject.
Posted by Capt_Spencer (Member # 312) on :
I'm curious about something. Isn't anyone, not excluding Adm. Hanson, familiar with "Code zero, zero, zero... destruct... one." ??
I mean seriously, if you can set a ship's self-destruct to have a vaporization radius, instead of simply tearing itself to debris, why wouldn't they have tried this...? Eject and detonate the antimatter pods, or something... Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote: Ha! That's a good one! You should try to rearrange the LCARS framework a little bit (maybe stretch the whole canvas vertically) so you can fit that in...
As I said I've already tried and I don't want to screw up the size ratio by increasing the height.
Besides, it's a little too familiar for an official communication, especially if a copy is going to the Director of Starfleet Operations.
quote: My only remaining problem is that the Saratoga's outriggers were specifically stated by Okuda to be sensor booms. That, coupled with the fact that we didn't see them shooting those things at the Borg cube, leads me to believe they're not weapons.
Yeah but that's boring. Use your imagination boy!
Perhaps the program to get this weapon made that they didn't even have time to design a custom replication template, instead they were forced to jury rig a set of DSC-710 long range stellar observatory sensor booms that they had on hand. It wouldn't be pretty but the would have been good for a few shots at least which is all it would take before the Borg adapted.
So technically they were sensor booms and it's possible that the Saratoga got off a shot (off screen) before the Borg locked on with their tractor beam, then again perhaps the unit overloaded and never fired so much as a photon. (the particle, not a torpedo)
It doesn't really matter either way because we know that none of those ships (with the possible exception of the Endeavour) made it out of that system in one piece.
quote: After all, the Battle at Wolf 359 occurred some hours/days after Picard had been assimilated. He likely had reviewed the "Project: Wildfire" data, after all, so knew what to expect.
Not quite, this communiqu� took place after Picard's abduction (note Shelby's rank and position) and even if Wildfire was on the go before his abduction I doubt that Picard would have had time to read it. More likely he left it to Geordie & Co to handle the engineering problems (as we saw) while he concerned himself with the status of his ship and crew, maybe even going over the records of the J-25 encounter, talking to Guinan, liasing with Hanson about the status of the Armada, maybe even placing a call or two to Chancellor K'mpec.
quote: I mean seriously, if you can set a ship's self-destruct to have a vaporization radius, instead of simply tearing itself to debris, why wouldn't they have tried this...? Eject and detonate the antimatter pods, or something...
Raw energy had already proven to be of little use against the Borg. However Riker was about to attempt a high warp ramming manoeuvre which may or may not have worked. Something that I doubt any of the armada ships would attempt since at such close range they wouldn't have enough room to accelerate and besides at that point the cube was still 7.8 light years away from Sol, so it wasn't quite time for a kamikaze run yet.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Anyone think that is what the Melbourne was doing in the Wolf 359 scene at the start of Emissary? It got pretty close before it was 'snatched' by the Borg tractor beam. Notice it was blue - was it blue in Q-Who? Maybe that shows that the Borg were already using assimilated Federation tech with their own?
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
although its non-canon, most of fandom accepts Peter David's appellation 'Elizabeth Paula Shelby'.. its a plot point for her nickname in the NF novels.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote: Anyone think that is what the Melbourne was doing in the Wolf 359 scene at the start of Emissary? It got pretty close before it was 'snatched' by the Borg tractor beam. Notice it was blue - was it blue in Q-Who? Maybe that shows that the Borg were already using assimilated Federation tech with their own?
I don't think so, she was too close for a warp speed ram.
quote: although its non-canon, most of fandom accepts Peter David's appellation 'Elizabeth Paula Shelby'.. its a plot point for her nickname in the NF novels.
I made that change already.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
It's been a while but here's a very late update. Wildfire Mk3 Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Glad to see you put that in there, Kris...
I still wonder why the heck Starfleet never bothered developing Genesis as a last-resort defensive weapon... Of course, considering the reaction portrayed in TSFS and TVH, I guess it's understandable that the whole thing was buried and forgotten...
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
Bloody marvellous. Love the detail, looks perfect, and absolutely believable.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:I still wonder why the heck Starfleet never bothered developing Genesis as a last-resort defensive weapon... Of course, considering the reaction portrayed in TSFS and TVH, I guess it's understandable that the whole thing was buried and forgotten...
My guess would be that the devise was banned by treaty. Then there's the small detail that it doesn't work properly and it's only real use is as a weapon of mass destruction, which is not what the Federation is all about...However, I'm sure there's a secret "Raiders of the Lost Ark" type warehouse and vault full of such dangerous devises, just in case. In fact a drew up a small list of potential doomsday devises before I settled on Genesis, I remember that one of them was an Omega bomb. My reasoning being that if they could destroy subspace around the cube that it would restrict them to sublight speeds, buying Earth and the Federation more time to come up with an effective defence. I decided however that this was a little TOO drastic since it would effectively cut off Sol and probably Alpha Centauri from the rest of the Galaxy, not to mention stranding all of those Starfleet and civilian ships in the blast radius.
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
Lt Cmdr Y.V. Ivannivoski? That's a unusual name Posted by Styrofoaman (Member # 706) on :
Very very cool. Like that inclusion of the Genisis device.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reverend: In fact a drew up a small list of potential doomsday devises before I settled on Genesis, I remember that one of them was an Omega bomb. My reasoning being that if they could destroy subspace around the cube that it would restrict them to sublight speeds, buying Earth and the Federation more time to come up with an effective defence.
Yes, but
quote:Geordi Laforge said: ..."subspace Weapons were banned by the second Kihitomer Accords. They're unpredictable table:that's why they were banned."
Y'know, Starfleet still has the hulk of the planetkiller somewhere: you'd think they'd have reverse-engineered it after 100 plus years.
And (if starfleet really knows how), they could use some Romulan artifical singularity technology to make a nasty bomb.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Lt Cmdr Y.V. Ivannivoski? That's a unusual name
I didn't think it was any more unusualy than Admiral RA'Tash.
quote:Yes, but
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Geordi Laforge said: ..."subspace Weapons were banned by the second Kihitomer Accords. They're unpredictable table:that's why they were banned."
A treaty banning Omega would require that the Federation tell people about it, my impression was that the ban was secretly and unilaterally imposed by the Federation, in the words of a certain android "all other priorities rescinded". Regardless, it's a moot point, since as I stated the devise would probably cause as much trouble as it solved.
quote:Y'know, Starfleet still has the hulk of the planetkiller somewhere: you'd think they'd have reverse-engineered it after 100 plus years.
And (if starfleet really knows how), they could use some Romulan artifical singularity technology to make a nasty bomb.
I doubt that there was much left of the 'Planet Killer' after the battle. With it's power source knocked out, whatever forces that were holding the neutronium armor in shape would have probably failed, crushing the weapon with it's own mass. If so then it might eventually become a black dwarf and perhaps be consumed by the local star or large gas giant. So not much to study from a technological point of view.
As for the Romulan reactors, I doubt that their singularities are anywhere near as dense as the real thing, considering that we didn't see mini-black holes sprouting during the Battle of the Omarian Nebula or any of the later Dominion battles. Not to mention the battle with the Prometheus.
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