Absolutely horrible. Pasting two good designs together does not make a larger good design. That fighter would be one biiig target.
Besides, the overall idea has already been done (as an original design) in the Skipray Blastboat.
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
Whoa... Thats one big... fighter
But, seriously, I can't think any good reason to cross X-wing with B-wing. The execution is flawless, but the idea itself... ugh.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
LMAO, nice one. The Rebels could use a very heavy fighter like that. Posted by Sargon (Member # 1090) on :
Cool concept, it needs two things:
1. The rotating cockpit concept should be retained, using the T-65 fuselage/cockpit shown.
2. The long B-wing wings should be able to fold up for hanger stowage; perhaps in the manner of the shuttle Tyderian.
Posted by USS_Delphronta (Member # 1116) on :
Mostly I did it for a joke. But I do think that the Rebel alliance needs a "bigger" ship in its fighter arsenal, Although this one is pretty ridiculous......
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
Then try drawing XJ version of the X-wing Posted by USS_Delphronta (Member # 1116) on :
Then try drawing XJ version of the X-wing. Huh J-Wing..
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Hang on, the B-Wing is designed to take down capital ships, and you think they need a BIGGER fighter? For what?
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
To take down BIGGER capital ships. And maybe to counter those pesky Missile Boats.
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
Right, so you build starship which is bigger and therefore easier to hit?
If squadron of X-wings can destroy a ISD, then if enemy ship is twice as big, you simply take more squadrons. You don't need to design big fighters to defeat big targets - by that logic, Alliance would need 1.6km long fighter to destroy Death Star...
"You don't need to design big fighters to defeat big targets..."
No, but you do need to design a fighter that can lob more torpedoes at said bigger targets and soak up more damage during the lobbing phase.
Or you send in more squadrons.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
I can't load any of Delphronta's images, just "Page cannot be displayed".
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cartman: No, but you do need to design a fighter that can lob more torpedoes at said bigger targets and soak up more damage during the lobbing phase.
Not getting hit at all is a much better idea than the ability to soak up damage. Plus, you still have to deal with enemy space superiority fighters, for lack of a better term.
Even the aforementioned missle boat isn't designed to soak up damage. Manuverability coupled with afterburners == fun.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Well, yeah, but when your resources are limited and you have to rely primarily on fighters to perform offensive operations, it's an equally good idea to make them as tolerant to damage as technically attainable.
And, uh, for such a fast & agile craft, the Missile Boat could sure take quite a pounding. Its shields were nearly twice as strong as those of a B-Wing...
Posted by Epoch (Member # 136) on :
That is what is generally classified as an Ugly. Smooth pic but can't say much for the design.
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cartman: Well, yeah, but when your resources are limited and you have to rely primarily on fighters to perform offensive operations
So you think it's such a good idea to build one of those BX-wings when you could have two B-wings instead for the same price?
And besides, look at the wingspan of this Ugly. I'm guessing that his maneuverability will be limited to prevent from snapping in half.. not to mention that this fighter could take a lot of hangar space.
Posted by Epoch (Member # 136) on :
The big thing about this is that it has technically already been made. It is called "DeathRaven". It is two B-wings that were put together around a central B-wing cockpit. I don't have any other info about it in front of me but if you want to know more I will gladly look it up.
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
Well I'll be damned...
Ugh... To me, this DeathRaven makes even less sense than Delphronta ship.
I still don't understand - why would anyone want to make one big fighter instead of two small?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Well, you build larger vehicles when you want them to carry larger things, for instance.
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
That's true... for instance, you can see nice model of TIE Obliterator, which carries mini-DeathStaresque laser
However, in the case of DeathRaven, its payload is simply the same as one could suspect - standard mixture of laser and ion cannons, torpedo launchers times two. And that's it.
I can give a counterexample - one of experimental TIEs in X-wing: Alliance carries rather big turbolaser, but it's size is still the same as standard TIE Fighter.
So, it is possible to design weapon platform that is based of existing components, packs a bigger punch, but it's dimensions still remain almost the same.
But this DeathRaven is simply two B-wings bolted together... not very efficent or particualry threatening design, if you ask me Posted by Epoch (Member # 136) on :
Well the Deathraven is a one of a kind ship that was built by a merc named Erron Kell. After getting hold of two B-wing/E2s that were considered to damaged to repair he put them together with help to create his own ship. The cockpit is larger then one on the B-wing/E2 and the wings do rotate around it.
It is not considered a fighter but instead classified as a space transport. It sports stronger shields and two extra Ion cannons then a standard B-wing.
B-wing/E2 Length: 16.9m Weapons: 2 Fire-linked Assault laser cannons 2 Fire-linked Proton torpedo launchers (8 rounds, 20 with extra magazine) 3 Fire-linked Light ion cannons.
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
After getting hold of two B-wing/E2s that were considered to damaged to repair he put them together with help to create his own ship.
Heh... they were too damaged to be repaired but not too damaged to be put together as a new craft?
But now, of course, I'm just repeating myself - I'm saying that I find DeathRaven design unrealistic and I have already said that.
Those stats also look strange to me... I mean, forty proton torpedoes?
I also find those fighter stats, um... "disturbing" In addition to the ion cannons, laser cannon and torpedo launchers SWRPG mentions two blaster cannons on the B-wing, not to mention armament from computer games...
But, no matter. I believe that we can conclude our discussion now, since now we would be talking about B-wing armament which is rather off-topic, if you ask me Posted by USS_Delphronta (Member # 1116) on :
The computer games (well, the spacesims, anyway) are the only source that makes any sense re: starfighter armament. They're not always internally consistent w/r/t/ other specs, though.
Posted by USS_Delphronta (Member # 1116) on :
Origionally I had it designed as a personal ship custom built for protecting cargo ships from pirates/bounty hunter/whatever, then it got kinda morphed into a production design later. Because I couldnt explain why anyone would destroy a X wing and mess up 2 perfectly good B wings.
Posted by Epoch (Member # 136) on :
Sure you can. The X-wing had massive damage to its s-foils(both sides). And by chance two B-wings had their cockpits slagged(tragically killing both pilots). To extract revenge the x-wing pilot had the three put together into a new fighting vehical.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
...and was immeadeately killed because his new starfighter was slow as dirt and could hardly turn at all. At least he joined his pals in the afterlife.
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
At least in this configuration it reminds me of Bird of Prey
(Delphronta, thanks for repairing links )
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Mabye the two B-Wing's flap around the X-Body like a duck, causing the TIE Pilots to double over in uncontrolable laughter and crash.....
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
And a sophisticated jammer signal broadcasted a "Quack Quack" noise too.
The cannons on the end of the wings would need to have a large amount of travel to be able to converge at a point in space. Might as well remove them and replace them with torps since this thing is supposed to be a cap-ship destroyer.
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