Further to another thread over on the General Trek board, this is my idea of where everything is in San Francisco Circa: 2300. Some of the locations are subject to change, but I think it's about 80% done.
Posted by Jack_Crusher (Member # 696) on :
The Fedration's capital is in Paris, fyi.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
The President's Office is in Paris, the UFP Council Chambers are in San Francisco.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Just a few quick nits:
- (the offices of) San Fransisco Yards? - The Skywalker Division of the Marin County Starfleet Yards was on the Pasteur's dedication plaque.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
There are allot of other things I would like to have on the map (ASDB, FSDB, Offices of SFFY, The New Smithsonian Air and Space Museum, HMS Bounty), but I have to draw the line at 14 points of interest, much more than that and you start loosing the map to red dots and labels.
As for Skywalker Division, I have that marked in Lucas valley which is several miles to the north of this map. However if you look in the upper left corner you'll see that it hasn't been forgotten.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
No Starfleet Communications building? It's rather large...
Mark
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
That's in Hong Kong I belive.
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
Maybe point out Starfleet Medical as a separate building or location. (It's probably just in Starfleet HQ though.)
Harry, I got the impression the Offices of San Francisco Yards was actually the orbital complex in TMP. I suppose there could be a land-based office considering the name.
If you want to make the map a 2380 era one, you could add the USS Voyager memorial museum.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Before I settled on an early 24th Century look, I did actually consider putting a silhouette of Voyager on the Presideo...
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Hong Kong? When was that mentioned?
Mark
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Well, that is a very nice map.
I am touched by the Romulan War Memorial - never thought about it - but that would be something that would most DEFINATELY be around.
I wondering about a Wolf359 memorial?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Hong Kong? When was that mentioned?
It wasn't, but the exterior plate was taken in Hong Kong.
quote:I am touched by the Romulan War Memorial - never thought about it - but that would be something that would most DEFINATELY be around.
I wondering about a Wolf359 memorial?
I imagine RW memorials are much like WWI memorials are here in Britain, in that every town has one and it lists all the local boys and girls lost in the war. However, given that San Francisco is apparantly the base of Operation for Starfleet in the 22nd Century I imagine it would list all the casualties and organise them according to which ship, regiment or division they were assigned to.
As for Wolf 359, I imagine there would be some kind of memorial made, maybe in the grounds of Starfleet Command, but not in the early 2300s.
[ November 13, 2003, 07:16 AM: Message edited by: Reverend ]
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Andrew: Like Voyager, Wolf 359 is past the timeframe of the map.
Kris: Awesome work, there! This is quite literally the first time I've seen someone actually try to fit in a map of the terrestrial locations.
I've got one nit, but it's probably something that you can't solve yourself. I always thought that "Starfleet Command" and "Starfleet Headquarters" were synonymous. Maybe it's just my Ameri-centricism, but here in the US we've only got one HQ, at the Pentagon. But since the two were separate buildings both shown in different movies, I wonder if Starfleet might've decided to just move their location...
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Starfleet Command = the Admiralty Starfleet Headquarters = where the work gets done
Incidentally, I've already drafted set blueprints for the main entrance lobby of the Starfleet Command building with a Wolf 359 memorial renovated onto the inner wall. Each is a half-model (like the early ones in the E-D conference room) of the ship, below that is a replica of its dedication plaque, and below that is the full list of those who died aboard (or disappeared/were assimilated).
--Jonah
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I take it Picard was not invited to the memorial's commencment ceremony.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Here's another little map to tide you folks over. Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Nice one. Where's Lake Armstrong?
--Jonah
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
That white smudge on the left. A frozen lake is still a lake! Don't ask me how it was formed. Maybe a robotic water tanker on it's way back from Europa crash landed or something?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Five gets you ten that Lake Armstrong was meant to be somewhere in the Sea of Tranquility. Ol' Neil had to relieve himself SOMEHOW...
Mark
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
Rev, Maybe the SF Museum would be better near the Academy or SFHQ in the Presidio?
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
Looks like maybe you've got a little dandruff there in Oceanus Procellarum.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Rev, Maybe the SF Museum would be better near the Academy or SFHQ in the Presidio?
No problem. Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Oh, I thought you had intended the Museum to be based at the old ENT-era SF Command complex. I thought that was a nice touch, but I guess I was mistaken... Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
I did, but it's Masao's building. Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Where is the Halliwell Manor? Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
The Starfleet Museum is amost canon. Picard refers to a "fleet museum" in Relics, and the plaque for a painting in Generations, I think, refers to a "fleet historical museum." According to Amazon.com's word search function, "Starfleet Museum" appears in Star Trek Deep Space Nine Millennium: The Fall of Terok Nor the War of the Prophets Inferno by Judith Reeves-Stevens: "For a ship of the future, the Augustus was reminding Jake more of the old walk-through exhibit of the U.S.S. Discovery, a Daedalus-class ship more than two hundred years old, at the Starfleet Museum in San Francisco. But even that old veteran, one of the first ships commissioned by the newly formed Starfleet, had had more room.
The reason I had originally thought the Museum was in the Presidio was my belief that ALL the Starfleet buildings were in the Presidio. But I guess they're not. But I like the Presidio.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Shouldn't it be Terran System instead?
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Either. Convention in Trek is messy. Either the primary star or the main inhabited planet. *shrug*
--Jonah
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
very nice Rev!
How about Mars? Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Give me a usable image of Mars and a map of all the craters, mountains & planitias and I'll see what I can do. Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
Half now. (big file)
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
Half later.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
For the first half, you just scanned an old rusty pipe.
Admit it.
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
Aww, great. He might have gone for it too...
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
"the UFP Council Chambers are in San Francisco"
Do we really know this for sure? I mean, ST IV made it appear that way, but personally I'm not so sure that scene actually displayed the "real" Federation Council anyway. Certainly with the transporation technology of the late 23rd century there's plenty of time for the President to jet from Paris to San Francisco during the course of the film.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Establishing shot of the landing field wiht the Golden Gate bridge in the background, and a building off to the right bearing the legend "United Federation of Planets". Cut to --
Interior Federation Council chambers as we watch the fiery death of the Enterprise.
Seems a pretty easy leap to make, especially as they do the same thing at the end -- landing field, cut to the Council President saying "Bring in the accused".
--Jonah
Posted by Capped in Mic (Member # 709) on :
quote:Originally posted by Balaam Xumucane: Half later.
by crom!
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
But, A.) I just don't like that idea. B.) That obviously wasn't the Federation Council proper. Or, rather, shouldn't be.
I realize that that's the implication the movie wants to deliver, but I'm suggesting that it doesn't necessarily do it so strongly we can't ignore it if we want to, and, well, I want to, for a couple reasons which others may agree or disagree with to varying degrees. One, it just wasn't a very impressive set. It lacked the grandeur of, say, the UN General Assembly or the US Congress, and didn't have the compact franticness of the UK House of Commons. So, I mean, I don't like it on aesthetic grounds. Well, so what, you might ask. Well, it was filled with Starfleet personnel, which doesn't make much sense, unless you're one of those boring "Star Trek as fascist dream" people. And, finally, I doubt the Federation Council proper would waste its time on a hearing like that. That's what you have committees and subcommittees for.
So, I mean, this is mostly an issue of personal taste, with some minor 'textual' examples thrown in, but it seems to me reasonable, perhaps even likely, that what we saw wasn't the Federation Council, and could in fact be some distance removed from that body's usual meeting place.
(Of course, it doesn't make much sense to have an officer, even an Admiral, tried personally by the head of state. So who knows.)
On an unrelated note, I dreaded those Centauri throne room scenes from Babylon 5 for similar reasons, despite having some of the strongest acting in the series. The supreme leader of an interstellar empire (even one in decline) holding court in a hallway decorated like a set from a Shannon Tweed film? Yes, yes, budget, etc.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
One could also mention that the ST4 scene just didn't have enough people in it to be the whole council.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Agreed to all of that. Those scenes were politically and legally nonsense, and certainly NOT the Council.
That does not mean, however, that that particular conference room was not part of the UFP Headquarters complex.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
My best guess would be that what we saw was the Federation Security Council. That would explain the small size of the room since it was a working room and not too concerned with not being impressive enough and the abundance of Starfleet personnel.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
I got the impression that the trial was held more for show and to appease the, uh, overzealous Klingon ambassador than to follow real judicial procedure.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
"We demand justice!"
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Balaam Xumucane: Half later.
You forgot 'Zygote' under the southern ice-cap Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
I knew I was forgetting something, I just assumed it was my medicine again.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
It was a joke referencing Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars Trilogy.
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
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