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Posted by Wes1701J (Member # 212) on :

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This is nearly a direct vector design of the sketch for the original holoship. I thought it would make a great medical ship, so, here it is. Hey, I need SOMETHING to make me look busy at work. Enjoy!

Posted by Ace (Member # 389) on :

Nice choice of name.

Posted by Wes1701J (Member # 212) on :

code:

   
01	Bridge
	Readyroom
	Confrence Room
  
02/03	Hospital Alpha (Extremely Urgent Care)
	In-Bound Shuttlebays (Upper Shuttlebay)
  
04	Hospital Beta
05	Hospital Beta
06	Hospital Beta
  
07	Crew Quarters
08	Crew Quarters
  
09	In-Bound/Outbound Shuttlebay (Main Shuttlebay)
	Main Engineering
  
10	Crew Lounge
	Recovery Center
	Holosuites
	Rear Torpeedo Bay
  
11	Captain's Yact
	Forward Torpeedo Bay
        Systems Management
  
12	Medical Research Facilities
13	Medical Research Facilities
        Computer Core/Systems Management
  
14	Emergency Overflow Hospital
15	Emergency Overflow Hospital
  
16	Cargo Management
17	Cargo Hold
  
18	Antimatter Storage

The Idea for the Emergency Overflow Hospital is that its completely run by emergency medical holograms. Its used in times of war and large-scale medical emergencies and urgent evacuations. The amount of computer power and raw energy takes 50% of the warp core down and disables the holosuites, and non-critical systems durring its use.

There are medium-sized transporters on every other deck, and 4 large transporter bays on decks 2, 3, 5, and 6.

Posted by jesus X (Member # 1201) on :

That's a fantastic design. I love it. Excellent work! I'd love to see a 3D version...

Edit:
Ok, I couldn't resist. I colored it.

Hope ya don't mind. [Smile]

[ April 19, 2004, 01:01 AM: Message edited by: jesus X ]

Posted by Axeman 3D (Member # 1050) on :

It's an interesting design right enough, and I'm tempted to try and do a 3D version apart from the fact that i could really do with a top and rear view as well, to enable me to get an idea of how it goes together. Once it was finished I think the first thing I would do would be to strech it out sideways by about 80% so it didn't look so chubby in the forward view. [Smile]

Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :

Looks like an anatomically inverted Sovereign to me. B)

Posted by Toadkiller (Member # 425) on :

I like it, but maybe try stretching the nacelles back a bit?

Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :

Hmmm...I DO like it but it's too large, deep and narrow from the sketch I saw of the Holoship.

It's a floating hospital (somehing I like) but if that's a Q-Torp launcher under the saucer, you're just asking for trouble.

I like the sideview a lot.
I really dont like the forward view at all:
THe deflector is too large (if that's off the Sovvie, anyway) and the nacelles look really....strange leaning inward like that.
The B-C deck (indeed the whole upper saucer) should not be domed in the fore view (based on the side view, it should look flat with the bridge on top).

I'd also either round off the bottom of the secondaey hull more or make it a pointed "V" shape like the Sabre.

Lastly, I'd give it additional shuttlebays and LOTS more lifeboats (this is a hospital after all!).

I think it's looking really nice so far but can be refined into a really great ship design. [Wink]

Posted by japol (Member # 1149) on :

I always liked that design, and even though Eaves designed it for the holoship, I thought it would make a very cool scout.

Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

Cool. What's the doomahicker on the aft hull undercut? Any specific purpose?

Mark

Posted by Wes1701J (Member # 212) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mark Nguyen:
Cool. What's the doomahicker on the aft hull undercut? Any specific purpose?

Mark

None that I know of. It was on the original design and I sorta played with it. Probably there just to look neat. I'd say its some sort of sensor equipment or something.

quote:
Originally posted by jesus X:

Hope ya don't mind.

Of course not, not what I had in mind for color, but hey, it looks nice!

As for 3D, i havent cracked 3ds open in YEARS, and ive recently been playing with Maya. I dont think i'll be doing one unless its isometric in illustrator.

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
Hmmm...I DO like it but it's too large, deep and narrow from the sketch I saw of the Holoship.

It's a floating hospital (somehing I like) but if that's a Q-Torp launcher under the saucer, you're just asking for trouble.

I like the sideview a lot.
I really dont like the forward view at all:
THe deflector is too large (if that's off the Sovvie, anyway) and the nacelles look really....strange leaning inward like that.
The B-C deck (indeed the whole upper saucer) should not be domed in the fore view (based on the side view, it should look flat with the bridge on top).

I'd also either round off the bottom of the secondaey hull more or make it a pointed "V" shape like the Sabre.

Lastly, I'd give it additional shuttlebays and LOTS more lifeboats (this is a hospital after all!).

I think it's looking really nice so far but can be refined into a really great ship design.

Yes, it is pretty much a big boat. I always think of medical ships as fat and dense with lots of volume. The two launcers are a bit much, eh? Mabye i'll modify them, but its not like it wont need to defend itself. Not all enemies obey the rules of engagement.

The deflector is based on the Sovvie -- and I enlarged it. If I was to make it small, what kind of details could I fill in to make it look a bit more busy/interesting?

As for the roundness of the upper saucer, I whole-heartedly agree. It needs to slope up steeper to a flat top, instead of the semicircle i have there.

I'll add more lifeboats, which are important because if there was some sort of contamination there would need to be a giant evacuation of some sort.

Im busy for at least the next few days, so I probably wont have a revision till later this week. Thanks for the input and more is appretiated!

Posted by jesus X (Member # 1201) on :

I think Wes1701J hit the nail on the head, with it's volume. It's meant to be "chubby", much as the Pasteur from TNG: "All Good Things" was voluminous. It allows for a maximum interior for a minimum of hull. Plenty of biobeds for patients, and operating/lab space.

As for the deflector, maybe it shouldn't be round like a Sovereign, but shaped to more reflect the lower hullshape, like on the Intrepid, like the hull lines from the fore view, like an interted bell curve.

As for curving the lower hull, that would just add an extra half-deck in the center, which would be resource wasteful.

The only other change besides the deflector I'd make is moving the antimatter storage into the center. All an enemy has to do is fire a photorp at the bottom and the whole ship becomes a mini-star.

Posted by Highway Hoss (Member # 1289) on :

Nice idea and concept but I'll be damned if the ship doesn't look like a Sovvie that shrunk in the wash..... [Big Grin]

Posted by Wes1701J (Member # 212) on :

Thanks Jesus (heh)

I belive Eaves designed it to match up with the sovvie, sort of a fatty bulky version of it. But yes, i had the Pastur in mind when i was looking at the thing. It doesnt look like it, but I bet you could service as many as two Soverign-class starships worth of crew and passengers on this thing.

Could of been worse, I could of slapped a cross on an Akira with one Nacelle.

Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :

Shouldnt it be Aesculapius? Or Asklepios in the original Greek.

I agree that the nacelles should be back a bit. Perhaps you could even extend a secondary tail out backwards to attach the nacelles to. That gets the machinery away from the patients.

Top view?

Posted by Ace (Member # 389) on :

Asclepius is the accepted spelling. At least that's how I've seen it spelt in all English sources.

http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/asclepius.html

Posted by jesus X (Member # 1201) on :

Where did you get whatever picture you based this on? I'd love to see it.

Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :

Asclepius would be a latinized form of the Greek, true. The copy of the Iliad I have on hand has it as such, along with Hard's translation of Apollodorus (nope, I just didn't finish a Greek myth course, nosiree [Big Grin]

Posted by Wes1701J (Member # 212) on :

quote:
Originally posted by jesus X:
Where did you get whatever picture you based this on? I'd love to see it.

TNG Movies Sketchbook.

http://www.lcarscom.net/fsd/art/images/ica-5.gif

Posted by Axeman 3D (Member # 1050) on :

Judging from the source material I'd say it's wider than you've made it in your head-on drawing. With a little width I think it could be a very nice ship, believable while not being too ugly about it.

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Eaves spelled it "Halo ship". Hm.

Posted by Captain Mike XLVII (Member # 709) on :

"computer,run program Blood Gulch"

Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

I'd use the staff of Asclepius instead of the caduceus as hull marking.

Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :

Yeah, the caduceus was Hermes's thing...

Posted by jesus X (Member # 1201) on :

Wow. That drawing rocks. Too bad the actualy Holoship used sucks so much. It's like a flying shoebox.

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

I liked the final design of the holoship.

Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :

Indeed, it was supposed to be a flying cargo container, what did you expect? Clickity clackers and go-faster stripes?

Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

I didn't expect a kind of ~~Spanish inquisition~~ cloaking device!

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Yes, an explanation of where in the heck they got a cloaking device would have been nice. But then, any fan that knows enough to know that Fed cloacking devices are illegal will also know that renegade Fed officers have used them before. I guess it really shouldn't be a huge surprise that Admiral Young Riders got his hands on one.

Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Harry:
I didn't expect a kind of ~~Spanish inquisition~~ cloaking device!

*sigh*, driving this bus is tiring...and i can't kill one damn pedestrian right!

Oh, did someone say Spanish Inquisition ?

Google is your friend, is not trying to get into your daughter's pants. Really.

Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :

For the holoship design, I like the second to the last sketch, where there was a definite Federation design to the side-nounted nacelles...where there was a red bussard ramscoop and a blue-glow warp grille mounted to the side of the holoship...that version would've been cooler!

Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :

The good looking holoship design would've never worked onscreen anyway: waaaay too big to sit on the lake bottom and not it's flat on the bottom.

I love the design but not for the holoship.

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Anybody got a scan of the ship they're talking about?

Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
The good looking holoship design would've never worked onscreen anyway: waaaay too big to sit on the lake bottom and not it's flat on the bottom.

I love the design but not for the holoship.

you think they couldn't beam out chunks of earth and beam in water?

Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :

I think they could've done all that, but I dont think Paramount would've/could've shown them doing all that.

Besides, that starship design is just too cool to be a one-off holoship.

....and I can attribute the strangeness of the Insurrection holoship to the alliance between the Son'a and Starfleet.

Posted by jesus X (Member # 1201) on :

External nacelles would have at least been nice on the holoship. I'm sorry, but those warp engines and those of the Defiant blatantly violate one of the very few rules for ships Gene set down. Nacelles have to be able to have a 50% line of sight to each other, and be fully visible from the front (true, Defiant doesn't break that one).

Also, single/triple nacelle ships don't exist. Yes, the Galaxy nacelle is supposed to be like two wngines in one, so I'll accept the Ent-D AGT model, and even the Niagra, but the Freedom is just UGLY. The Freedom is just a mass hallucination that only the few people like me realize isn't real. [Smile]

Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :

quote:
Originally posted by jesus X:
External nacelles would have at least been nice on the holoship. I'm sorry, but those warp engines and those of the Defiant blatantly violate one of the very few rules for ships Gene set down. Nacelles have to be able to have a 50% line of sight to each other, and be fully visible from the front (true, Defiant doesn't break that one).

Also, single/triple nacelle ships don't exist. Yes, the Galaxy nacelle is supposed to be like two wngines in one, so I'll accept the Ent-D AGT model, and even the Niagra, but the Freedom is just UGLY. The Freedom is just a mass hallucination that only the few people like me realize isn't real.

bah, it's realistic still. even ugly, it's cannon. you think the federation produces ONLY prestine ships? with no flaws what so ever? [Roll Eyes]

and it is a late model ship, the only thing keeping it modern is it's nassel. i recall seeing the Red Admiral putting earlier model nassels to speculate what it liked (the Niagara and Freedom are commonly thought of as ships from the era of the Ambassador class.)

Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

Roddenberry's rules are baseless anyway. It was just a childish way of pretending he never used and liked FJ's work.

Not to mention that very few alien vessels bothered about these 'rules'.

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Nacelle. Nacelle. Nacelle.

Posted by Wes1701J (Member # 212) on :

I'll be making some final changes tonight, and a colorization sometime this week.

Then i'll start on my next project. [Wink]

Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :

Just make the nacelles match the sketch and add some lifeboats and i'll be happy.

...because you're working for me, remember. [Wink]

Posted by Wes1701J (Member # 212) on :

Well its 2am and I forgot about it. Fuck. I'll just bump the thread when I finally get to it.

Nite

Posted by Wes (Member # 212) on :

I think my net went down and really fucked up my posting. Mods: Please this and the following two posts. Sorry for the mess.

Posted by Wes (Member # 212) on :

oops, double post

Posted by Wes (Member # 212) on :

Fuck, TRIPPLE POST

Posted by Wes (Member # 212) on :

Well. I am done. After 20 minutes of trying to place more lifeboats on the damn thing, nothing looked good. So here is my final version of the ship. I like it. Its probably going in my portfolio. Hope you guys like it too.

It was fun

Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

uh...nacelle pylons?

Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :

HA! I noticed that right away!

No ACL or red warning stripes at the nacelle ends either.

I like it, but it still needs some refinment: particularly, you should vary your line thickness to give a sense of depth.
Lose "Deck 18" while you;re at it: it's too short to be a deck (besides, where is your ship's Jeffries' Tubes and bottomless pits to throw Remans down?)

Posted by Wes (Member # 212) on :

Yeah, I actually realized that after i made the images. Meh. Mabye i'll put them in. What ACL or red warning stripes at the end of nacelles?

Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :

Anti Colision Lights are the green (starboard) and red (port)lights on a ship (and starship).
The red warning stripes" are "c" shaped markings found at the ends of phaser strips on most starships.

I typed "nacelle" to test you for telepathic powers: you've failed.

And I'm very tired.

Posted by lennier1 (Member # 1309) on :

Nice and clean variant of the original design. AFAIK seanr has built a 3D model based on the old design sketch a long time ago.

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Very nice render. I like the deflector array on the front view. Very original.

One thing I think needs to be changed: on the front view, I think you need to flip flop the lifeboats port for starboard. I'm pretty sure they're angling the wrong way. They need to angle towards the midline, not away from it.

Posted by Wes (Member # 212) on :

Good call on the lifeboats. I changed them -- i did a few 11x17 prints today. Looks pretty rad.