Well.. if it is Unofficial, why does it have the Paramount logo?
Other than that, nice. I expect you're also going to do the actual articles/images inside this cover?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Just a question I've always wondered about. Where is that hatch shown on the bottom right with the registry on it? We something similar of the Ent B in Generations. The bottle breaks on something that has the registry written on it, but I can never tell where on the ship it's supposed to be.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Looks good. Do you have a nice big pic of the backside of the Excelsior - i want a better look at that undercut - 'shuttlebay' that is underneath...
Posted by Captain Serek (Member # 1038) on :
I would love to see the NX Excelsior bridge and compare it to the ST-VI Sulu version. Posted by Nim the Fanciful (Member # 205) on :
The colorful cover and esoteric content strikes me as whacking-material for Trek-fans.
Excelsior floor plans for the centerfold?
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Spread out wide to reveal the ship's innermost secrets. B)
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Oh my... I spit up Pepsi when I read that...
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
The original Excelsior bridge was just an incomplete half-set with no viewscreen. I dunno if a full iso drawing could be constructed, unless you tried using the original sketches from "The Art of Star Trek" et. al., and perhaps the insanely inconsistent 80s comic books where Kirk was in command of Excelsior for a time.
Mark
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
quote:Originally posted by Captain Serek: I would love to see the NX Excelsior bridge and compare it to the ST-VI Sulu version.
...unless you mean the exterior, in which case the Trek VI one looks similar to the Refit Constitution style and the NX version looks like a simple oval with some detailing in the front.
Posted by MirrorCaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: The original Excelsior bridge was just an incomplete half-set with no viewscreen. I dunno if a full iso drawing could be constructed, unless you tried using the original sketches from "The Art of Star Trek" et. al., and perhaps the insanely inconsistent 80s comic books where Kirk was in command of Excelsior for a time.
Mark
The comics (which of course must take place in an alternate timeline since Kirk never commanded the Excelsior) must feature a completely different bridge module, unless they really creatively redecorated the one seen in ST3. Some features were a turboshaft directly in the center of the bridge, that you could walk all the way around. Once, they even showed the lift with a partition and stations asymmetrically off to one side that resembled the piece of bridge visible in the movie, positing that the movie bridge had that 20 station walkwayed monstrousity originally!
ok its past 4:20, going to sleep...
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Got a scan of that comic Mike? Sounds... interesting
Talking about the excelsior bridge... I have since come to believe that it's NOT true... but is the 'Yeoman' chinese woman that stands next to Captain Styles accidently the same Chinese woman that was an officer on the Grissom... the one that gives that 'look' when David Marcus says they found Spock and that he was alive.
Yes they are both Chinese and both in mustard/yellow... but they have similar hair styles... and for the split second you see both - I thought there maybe a possibility that they accidently used the same actress on both bridges?
There is also an alien on the Excelsior bridge to the back left of Styles... seen in the bit where they close their restraints... was it a Deltan?
I wonder if anyone has talked to Miguel Ferrer about his 'stint' on Star Trek
AND what is that STICK/CANE thing that styles has? Is it to make him look more like a wanker?
"Up ya shaft" - a line by Scotty that is probably better than all the lines in Nemesis. Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
It was a Deltan. Explained in some Magazine article that I can't find at the moment.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: AND what is that STICK/CANE thing that styles has? Is it to make him look more like a wanker?
I believe it's actually a riding crop: for the ultimate in wanker-ism. Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I don't think it was actually a riding crop, though he was holding it like one. He never actually used it for anything, but I seem to remember him grabbing it off of a shelf before leaving for the bridge after being informed that Kirk was stealing the Enterprise. So he apparently liked it alot.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Did it vibrate?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
That's what I'm thinking.
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
Originally posted by AndrewR:
quote: Looks good. Do you have a nice big pic of the backside of the Excelsior - i want a better look at that undercut - 'shuttlebay' that is underneath...
Do a web search for excelsior and "studio model." I have several pictures of the model, including closeups of the undercut and fantail, although I don't remember now exactly where I found them. Most of my photos are actually of the Enterprise-B/Lokata, but some are from Star Trek VI. I'd post them, but I don't have access to Flare Upload yet.
Marian
PS: Nice work, Masaki. I'd buy it. Have you read the Daystrom Institute's article on transwarp? It actually makes sense out of all the conflicting evidence.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Just sdearch here on flare for Excelsior: we all found about a zillion refrences a month or so back.
That's right: A zillion. Even more than Eleventy Billion.
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
About Stiles's little cane:
It's a "swagger stick." A short metal-tipped cane carried especially by officers in the armed forces.
Posted by Captain Serek (Member # 1038) on :
I was originally talking about perhaps a drawing of the interior of the bridge ala Fact Files/Star Trek Magazine. I am sure it can be recreated with a little conjeture and simple logic, plus any plans that might exist, even if it is from the '80s. I was just bringing it up as a hmm, would like to see the difference.
Posted by Masaki (Member # 1030) on :
But I'll try to draw an after and bottom shuttle bay. Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Well, if the main gangway on the Ent B is on the same part of the saucer as that card shows it to be on the Excelsior, noone in the observation gallery can see it. Plus, the scene of the bottle breaking doesn't look much like the saucer rim. Looks more like the engineering hull.
Edit: Oh wait... that card actually shows four gangway hatches... one on the saucer and three on the engineering hull. The one on the saucer is the only one they show up close. OK... well that makes sense then.
Posted by Masaki (Member # 1030) on :
Sorry. This is miss post.
Posted by Masaki (Member # 1030) on :
It is miss post.
Posted by Nim the Fanciful (Member # 205) on :
Well it would make sense if it was the center, foremost hatch they were aiming for, it looks kind of like the bow on a wet-ship. Also, good vantage point for the crowd.
Posted by Nim the Fanciful (Member # 205) on :
Non-topic post, do we know if the Ent-B ever fired her guns in anger? Have any novels shed light on the Ent-B's service life?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Nice work Masaki! You know looking at the edge of the saucer it still annoys me how they too ANOTHER futuristic design - the window pattern and the 'rim' of the saucer for the NX-E.
Andrew
Posted by Captain Serek (Member # 1038) on :
I realize trying the NX-2000 bridge would be a challenge, but one could be a hero in the process. JUst like the hero who would attempt other bridges not seen in STFF/STM like the Sutherland, Brattain, Odyssey, the second Saratoga and the Excalibur bridge from "Double Time" to name a few. Is it a challenge, of course. Would the Flare-ites be appreciative and greatful, also yes. Can it be done, yes with time and patience and the skills seen here. To quote Capt. Spock, "There always are possibilities. "
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Here's the problem with the gangways being where the diagram says they are: The long shot of the Ent B shows a double stripe below the top lip of the engineering hull, a thin red line followed by a thicker blue line. The closeup of the gangway hatch that the bottle breaks next to shows the blue stripe at the bottom of the frame, but there's no red stripe. Unless the hatch is between the two, but there's no way there's a deck + space between those two stripes.
Oh yah... and exactly what the heck is a swagger stick for and why would a military officer waste time carrying it around?
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
Originally posted by Aban Rune:
quote: Oh yah... and exactly what the heck is a swagger stick for and why would a military officer waste time carrying it around?
Because he's insecure about his masculinity, and the regs don't permit him to bring his corvette aboard ship.
Marian
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
A book I have mentions him taking it from a Klingon or some nonsense
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nim the Fanciful: Non-topic post, do we know if the Ent-B ever fired her guns in anger? Have any novels shed light on the Ent-B's service life?
I realize trying the NX-2000 bridge would be a challenge, but one could be a hero in the process. JUst like the hero who would attempt other bridges not seen in STFF/STM like the A really fun book called Serpents Among The Ruins focuses on Enterprise B and mentions past "skirmishes with the Romulans" but I dont think it actually fires anything in the book. Worth reading though. Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
In any case, the NX bridge would probably be pretty dull. Unless there's something to it besides the featureless stations along the rim and the CO/Helm/Nav stations sitting on a single step-up pedestal in the middle, there's almost no point to trying to draw an iso of the set, as it wouldn't really add anything new.
But on that note, does anyone have larger DVD caps of the NX bridge? I don't think we've really scrutinized it, or the Grissom bridge before on Flare.
Mark
Mark
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I don't recall that either. The displays would be interesting to see.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: Oh yah... and exactly what the heck is a swagger stick for and why would a military officer waste time carrying it around?
Found these two quotes with Google.
quote:The swagger stick carried by officers and senior noncommissioned officers of some modern armies recalls the vitis, a staff of hard vine carried by the centurion as a symbol of his rank and as an instrument for the punishment of offenders against military discipline. http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/mil/html/ml_033402_insignia.htm
quote:It is one of the most useless pieces of military equipment ever devised, but has served as an ideal instrument depicting the officer as gentleman. http://www.britannia.com/travel/betts/e5.html
Posted by Captain Serek (Member # 1038) on :
OK , I sit corrected. A hero, maybe not, greatful, certainly. I concur the bridge may not be that imteresting although it does have the seperate helm/nav stations plus the lights at the turbolift. In regards to the swagger stick, if anyone watched Dr Who during the Troughton to Sylvester McCoy eras, the Brigadier (Brigadier Alastair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart) often carried one. Of course, his was a simple black stick roughly the same length as Capt. Styles carries.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Biiiig diffrence between the British military of the 1950-60's and a Starfleet Captain in charge of what was then, the most imporntant project in the fleet.
Styles may have been an arrogant S.O.B. but he must have been something special to command the Excelsior. Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
quote: Styles may have been an arrogant S.O.B. but he must have been something special to command the Excelsior.
Quite right. If he'd been an incompetent asshole, he would have been promoted to Commodore.
Marian
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Well, if we was a traitor to Starfleet's principles, he could be a TNG Admiral. Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: Oh yah... and exactly what the heck is a swagger stick for and why would a military officer waste time carrying it around?
Maybe it was the key to Transwarp!?!
I think he's just a phallophile Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
I don't know why, But I've always thought the Excelsior NX bridge might be ovular width-wise
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Same here.
Maybe with a curved screen... wasn't that in the sketches for it in the Art of Star Trek?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Styles wasn't necessarily anything spectacular. He was an administrator, probably only in charge of the NXcelsior in her shakedown phases. Remember, they were still in testing stages.
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
Originally posted by Captain Boh:
quote: I don't know why, But I've always thought the Excelsior NX bridge might be ovular width-wise
It lays eggs!?!?
Marian
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Captain Boh would like to note that he can't spell
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
I think he was saying that the Excelsiors bridge is really just an enormous vagina....
Which goes back answering why Styles had a vibrating swagger stick and why he carried it to the bridge.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
VAGINAS DON'T LAY EGGS YOUNG MAN
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
yet.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Unless they are nits.
Would 'ovoid' be the correct word to use then?
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
I guess elliptical would work
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
Originally posted by Captain Boh:
quote: I guess elliptical would work
What's wrong with 'oval?' Call a spade a spade, I say.
Marian
Posted by MirrorCaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
no need to get racial...
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
Originally posted by MirrorCaptainMike:
quote: no need to get racial...
????
Marian
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by MarianLH: Originally posted by MirrorCaptainMike:
quote: no need to get racial...
????
Marian
radical?
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
Radial?
Marian
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Mike said what he said. He rarely makes mistakes.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
...or sense.
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
I think, at this point, that this tangent about the shape of the bridge is just going around in circles...
Marian
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
...or ovals. Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
As long as it isn't going in vaginas, the thread should be OK. B)
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Mabye you dont like going in vaginas...
mmmmm....vaganias.
Posted by MirrorCaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ultra Magnus: Mike said what he said. He rarely makes mistakes.
especially considering what happened to my squadron over Macho Grande.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Is that you.....Ted?
[ May 16, 2004, 03:41 AM: Message edited by: Jason Abbadon ]
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
quote: Mabye you dont like going in vaginas...
Wouldn't you rather be coming than going?
Marian, who can't believe she went ahead and posted this...
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
I'm impressed, especially coming out of one of the few females in this whole forum which could otherwise be perceived as one big sausage factory...
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
"Marian, who can't believe she went ahead and posted this..."
We are looking forward to completing your training. It is unavoidable. The disbelief is swelling in you now. With each passing moment you make yourself MORE our servant. Give in to your incredulity. B)
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Any chance of a lockdown or return to topic, here? I love talking about vaginas as much as the next guy, but...
Mark
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
Originally posted by Cartman:
quote: We are looking forward to completing your training. It is unavoidable. The disbelief is swelling in you now. With each passing moment you make yourself MORE our servant. Give in to your incredulity.
ROFLMAO...
Marian
Posted by MirrorCaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
what's swelling in who now?
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Same here.
Maybe with a curved screen... wasn't that in the sketches for it in the Art of Star Trek?
I guess I'll take a look when I get home.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
My stuff's still all packed up - but I'm sure there was a pic of s hug screen with schematics all over it. I'm guessing that's what they were after.
Mark
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by MarianLH: Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
quote: Mabye you dont like going in vaginas...
Wouldn't you rather be coming than going?
Marian, who can't believe she went ahead and posted this...
Soon..... your journey to the Darkside will be complete. All that remains is for you to start fighting in the arena...er...Flameboard over Iraq, politics, religion and life in general.
We'll send you a single black glove and coupon for one free prostethic hand in the mail.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Excelsior Bridge concept image from Art of Star Trek:
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
Ooooh, pretty. "Lieutenant Bloque, could you just... duck a bit. There, yeah, thanks. We couldn't see the spacedock."
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Who sketched that?
Posted by Masaki (Member # 1030) on :
Did you write the English text for that card? If so, I have a couple of suggestions to clean up the grammar, unless you've done that on purpose.
One thing you definitely need to change: When a word is broken between lines by a hyphen, the hyphen goes after the first part, not before the second part.
Other than that, the card looks really cool.
Posted by Masaki (Member # 1030) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: Did you write the English text for that card? If so, I have a couple of suggestions to clean up the grammar, unless you've done that on purpose.
One thing you definitely need to change: When a word is broken between lines by a hyphen, the hyphen goes after the first part, not before the second part.
Any other suggestions?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
This is how I would write the different areas. But I've already been counseled for rewriting things today at work... so take it for what it is:
Top paragraph: Starfleet ships are equiped with gangway hatches that allow for docking with drydock or space dock facilities. There is a gangway hatch at the centerline of the port saucer rim on the U.S.S. Excelsior NX-2000. When docked, an umbilical allowing passage on and off the ship is connected here. The Excelsior Class Starship is also equipped with three docking hatches on the engineering hull.
Top Picture Captions: While docked, a ramp connected to the main gangway hatch allows direct entry onto deck 8.
The Gangway hatch is located on the rim of the saucer section at the port centerline.
Lower Left Picture Caption: A bottle of champaigne is traditionally broken over the foreward docking hatch of Excelsior Class Starships during their Christening ceremony.
Posted by Masaki (Member # 1030) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: Top paragraph: Starfleet ships are equiped with gangway hatches that allow for docking with drydock or space dock facilities. There is a gangway hatch at the centerline of the port saucer rim on the U.S.S. Excelsior NX-2000. When docked, an umbilical allowing passage on and off the ship is connected here. The Excelsior Class Starship is also equipped with three docking hatches on the engineering hull.
Top Picture Captions: While docked, a ramp connected to the main gangway hatch allows direct entry onto deck 8.
The Gangway hatch is located on the rim of the saucer section at the port centerline.
Lower Left Picture Caption: A bottle of champaigne is traditionally broken over the foreward docking hatch of Excelsior Class Starships during their Christening ceremony.
THank you very much, Aban.
But top picture captions are modifide text from Shane Johnson's "Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise", ... . Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
"champagne" is spelled incorrectly, there shouldn't be an 'i' in it.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
On the front cover - should that say on the blue-green side tab 'aft rec lounge' instead of 'after'.
Oh and the pointers on the card... too detailed for the fact files They should be like "This is a hatch" "This is the saucer". Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
I've been wondering why it's even called Unofficial and Fake. Is there Official Fake? Just call it one or the other, but not both.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Oh and the pointers on the card... too detailed for the fact files They should be like "This is a hatch" "This is the saucer".
When you're right, you're right.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
quote:Originally posted by Captain Boh: Excelsior Bridge concept image from Art of Star Trek:
I always thought that this looks more like some Strategical War Room where you'd expect an Admiral overseeing a battle rather than a bridge.
Besides that, the big yellow "Impulse"-warning is just stupid. God knows what happens if the ship goes to warp. Maybe a huge "Warning! Ludicrous Speed!"-sign will pop up instead... Posted by Chris Turnbull (Member # 1323) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov:
quote:Originally posted by Captain Boh: Excelsior Bridge concept image from Art of Star Trek:
I always thought that this looks more like some Strategical War Room where you'd expect an Admiral overseeing a battle rather than a bridge.
Besides that, the big yellow "Impulse"-warning is just stupid. God knows what happens if the ship goes to warp. Maybe a huge "Warning! Ludicrous Speed!"-sign will pop up instead...
I've always thought that the EX. bridge from ST:SFS was mostly a cleaner looking 80's version of the bridge from ST:TMP.?!?
has anyone got any ideas (any one designed) what the rest of the bridge would look like on screen?
BTW, This is my first post here at flare, and i'd like to say i'm glad to be here.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Oh no! Another one that suffers from Overusing Punctuation Syndrome!
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
Originally posted by Topher:
quote: Oh no! Another one that suffers from Overusing Punctuation Syndrome!
???
Marian
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
?!?!?
-JaSoN
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
I am not fonds of the new, but anybody who likes John C. McGinley (2nd best human) is passable.
Posted by Chris Turnbull (Member # 1323) on :
I hope no-one minds me posting this here, but i've had a quick go at designing the bridge (From what i can make out). it's just a quick mod on a floorplan I found online. is is close?
"Audaci Favet Fortuna" Fortune Favours the Bold Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Not quite. Where are the turbolift alcoves along with the lifts themselves? And the little table in from of the captain's chair? The chair itself should be further back a little. And the viewscreen isn't curved. And the aft wall should be a little further back to make from for two flanking doors. Plus a floorplan was already done on the NCC-2000. I believe it's in the real ST:Mag.
Posted by Chris Turnbull (Member # 1323) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dat: Not quite. Where are the turbolift alcoves along with the lifts themselves? And the little table in from of the captain's chair? The chair itself should be further back a little. And the viewscreen isn't curved. And the aft wall should be a little further back to make from for two flanking doors. Plus a floorplan was already done on the NCC-2000. I believe it's in the real ST:Mag.
Yeah, but isn't this thread about the NX-2000?!?!?
Posted by Chris Turnbull (Member # 1323) on :
Ah, heck. Double post.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Actually, it's about both. But, if you were going for NX-2000, it's still off. There are still no turbolift alcoves along with the lifts. The aft wall isn't like the NCC-2000, but just like the other stations along the bridge. The stations in front of the captain's chair are not like the E-D ops/conn stations. They're more like the refit Enterprise helm/nav stations. I still think it would have been a flat viewscreen.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Hell yeah! Most new TVs and monitors are all flatscreen now, I'm sure by then everything will be flatscreen...
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Well, in the future, maybe curved screens are concave.
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