Hi Guy I was just wondering if anybody has ever heard what Lucas has though of the Trek franchise compared to his own and what were Roddenbarry thoughts on Wars franchise compared to his own. Was there any type of competition or feud or other things between these two men of the great two houses of science fiction. Thanks just wondering Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
I don't recall ever hearing anything. As far as I know they seemed to pretend as if the other didn't exist.
There may be some reference though.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Well Lucas can never deny that if it wasn't for Star Trek that there would be no Star Wars and that if there wasn't any Star Wars there would be no Star Trek post 1979.
And JMS should be thankful to both.
Has anyone noticed some of the little 'elements' of similarities between Star Wars and TOS?
The idea for Cloud City... from "The Cloud Miners" "Proton Torpedoes"
there are a few others that I thought about a long while ago - but I can't recollect just right now... anyone else?
BTW, I belive Lucas once said to Clint Howard when he went to an audition... the first thing he did was point and say Captain Balok of the Fesarius!"
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
This topic strikes me as incredibly silly. It's a big world out there. They "pretended the other didn't exist"? Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever heard Lucas talk about his favorite Herbert novel, despite exceedingly broad similarities to Dune. Conspiracy! And was Leslie Nielson ever consulted during the filming of "The Cage"?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
THey all owe HG Wells and Alfred Bester their careers. Period.
Posted by Axeman 3D (Member # 1050) on :
Actually, one of the main reasons Star Trek: The Slow Motion Picture got made was because of Star Wars, not the other way around. They were talking about a new ST series at the time, then Star Wars came out, became the biggest thing ever and Paramount spotted a bandwagon flying past. They immediately dropped the Trek II series and decided on a film instead, which then became more films, which begat TNG, which begat DS-9, etc... Even if you don't like Star Wars (I know of no one who hates it) you have to thank Lucas and it's success for completely reviving sci-fi films and TV for years to come, particularly Trek.
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sol System: This topic strikes me as incredibly silly. It's a big world out there. They "pretended the other didn't exist"? Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever heard Lucas talk about his favorite Herbert novel, despite exceedingly broad similarities to Dune. Conspiracy! And was Leslie Nielson ever consulted during the filming of "The Cage"?
Talk about taking the interpretation to the extreme. I never mentioned anything about a conspiracy to not mention one or the other. I just said it seemed like they never acknowledged one or the other which is odd considering they were then and still are the two largest sci-fi franchises in history.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Axeman 3D: Actually, one of the main reasons Star Trek: The Slow Motion Picture got made was because of Star Wars, not the other way around.
Isn't that what I said? If TMP was '78 then I'm sorry I was incorrect but I'm saying
NO SW if NO TOS, NO Trek - period after... TAS then if no SW.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Why should they be expected to talk about each other, though? They have very little in common. I don't know what James Cameron thinks about Jurassic Park, or Spielberg about Titanic, despite those being two of the most profitable movies of all time.
It's just...I don't know. Plumb crazy.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"THey all owe HG Wells and Alfred Bester their careers."
And of course, the latter owes his career to Davy Jones of the Monkees.
Oh, wait...
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sol System: Why should they be expected to talk about each other, though? They have very little in common.
They both have "Star" in the title.
OBVIOUS!
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
And they've both overstayed their welcomes by twenty years.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
BITING!
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
EPISODE I WAS BAD
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
It was, like, done by George PUKEus! HAHAHAHAHA!
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
It had Jar Jar Child Rapist & Murderder.
Posted by kmart (Member # 1092) on :
quote:Originally posted by Axeman 3D: Actually, one of the main reasons Star Trek: The Slow Motion Picture got made was because of Star Wars, not the other way around. They were talking about a new ST series at the time, then Star Wars came out, became the biggest thing ever and Paramount spotted a bandwagon flying past. They immediately dropped the Trek II series and decided on a film instead, which then became more films, which begat TNG, which begat DS-9, etc... Even if you don't like Star Wars (I know of no one who hates it) you have to thank Lucas and it's success for completely reviving sci-fi films and TV for years to come, particularly Trek.
Not quite. Par had already planned doing a feature back in the mid 70s and then cancelled it when SW released, figuring they were too late. This was PLANET OF THE TITANS, which had Nimoy signed and Phil Kaufman to direct. PHASE 2 was announced AFTER Titans cancelled, and TMP only came about many months later.
EDIT ADD-ON: I've seen a few sources indicating GL inquired about buying the rights to TREK (along with FLASH GORDON) in the early 70s, so he was looking for some SF space franchise to pump his mythology stuff into (oddly enough, Phil Kaufman had some mythology aspects to his Trek try, which leveraged off themes from Olaf Stapledon's FIRST AND LAST MEN, an early SF classic.)
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Whatshisface said: "And of course, Bester owes his career to Davy Jones of the Monkees."
I could imagine Chekov singing "Daydream Believer", I could. Yeah. *sigh* But then Jack The Ripper would come up from behind and shove that magic cane up hif aff. Game over, try again.
Posted by WizArtist (Member # 1095) on :
Everyone owes "Forbidden Planet" and Jules Verne.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
And Jesus.
Posted by kmart (Member # 1092) on :
quote:Originally posted by WizArtist: Everyone owes "Forbidden Planet" and Jules Verne.
Yeah, but FP owes both Shakespeare AND Freud bigtime. Could you remake it using Jungian concepts to get away from the Id references? (I wonder if this is what screwed up the planned-for remake in the mid-90s, when they had Kershner signed for it, and later on, when Frank Darabont was going to write and direct?)
As good as FP is (there is a great little cut scene on the Criterion laserdisc of the capt and dr outside the ship at night that plays like vintage Kirk/Bones), 50s color film drives me bugfuck, so it is really hard for me to rewatch the movie.
Also, the line, "you sent your secret Id monster out to destroy them" (paraphrase, but close) is as ripe as anything uttered in the worst of season three TOS, right up there with "brain and brain, what is brain?"
Posted by kmart (Member # 1092) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: And Jesus.
... And Buddha and Allah and Xena and Gabrielle and all the other great mystic leaders ...
Posted by Capped in Mic (Member # 709) on :
i'd like to thank my momma..
Posted by Prowl Alpha (Member # 1139) on :
George Lucas was in Beverly Hills Cop III, which is was done by Paramount Pictures, which in turn does Star Trek. There you go.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
George Lucas was in Beverly Hills Cop III, which starred Judge Reinhold who was in Fast Times at Ridgemont High, which starred Sean Penn who was in Mystic River which also starred Kevin Bacon!
Posted by Prowl Alpha (Member # 1139) on :
So George and Kevin are real close then.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
It's like you don't even know the game.
Posted by Prowl Alpha (Member # 1139) on :
It was supposed to be a joke, that obivously you did not get.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
I don't get jokes.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
*Checks Siegfried's entry* Damnit, I was fo' sho' you were bullshitting there at first. Not that that will make me watch "Beverly Hills Cop 3" again.
Not even wild horses could drag me away to watching "BHC3" again. In fact, there's nothing that a hundred men or more could ever do.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
I had to look up the IMDb entries for George Lucas and Beverly Hills Cop III to make sure he was in it. Apparently, he was (listed as "The Disappointed Man" -- there's an Episode I joke in that, I'm sure).
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nim: ...In fact, there's nothing that a hundred men or more could ever do.
Did you see the rains, Nim?
Wouldn't that be cool though? I'd love to see all these sci-fi giants interviewed about what they thought about the others and how they've been influenced. I was going to say round table, but I can't think of a good way to make Ellison shut his pie-hole and let other people speak. That starship smackdown was a really cool and fun discussion. I'd love to get Larry Niven, George Lucas, James Cameron, Steven Spielberg, Arthur C. Clarke (videophone),Mike Okuda? (trying to think of a good Trek contemporary), JMS, Harlan, John Carpenter, Kim Stanley Robinson, Jerry Pournelle, Ron Moore, Iain Banks, Octavia Butler(?), ... uh... Dan O'Bannon, uh... Kevin Smith, Frank Miller... uh... I'm drawing a blank. Maybe this isn't such a good idea. No, but maybe it is. Who all would you want to see discussing their sci-fi influences in some overwrought spacefuckingnerd circle-jerk?
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
I would like Neal Stephenson to beat them all up.
And then he would have to fight Alan Moore.
And then: bright light.
End of the Universe.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
When one is naming "sci-fi giants", and one gets to the point of throwing Kevin Smith into the mix, one probably doesn't need to keep thinking. One has run out of ideas.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
He wrote some shitty Daredevil issues. Heavyweight.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
He's got as much talent as Lucas does neck.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
George Lucas does NOT do necrophilian pornography. That is slander, Jason.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ultra Magnus: He wrote some shitty Daredevil issues. Heavyweight.
They weren't bad, once you got past the first couple and the terrible, terrible overwriting.
Plus he kills of a b-class villian, which is, like, a bit cheap. I am talking to you, mr Paul "I write Spider-Man and am good and did some good Hulks oh I killed the Chameleon but it was a good issue yes" Jennings.
Was Lara Hama ever good?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Surely you mean Larry, unless we are in the universe where Sara Lee did the comics and Stan the baked goods.
Also, Paul Jenkins. I would imagine maybe you meant.
Octavia Butler is great.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
James Robinson is the best writer in comics: Read Starman or the Shade miniseries (with Gene Ha art in issue 1!) Read The Golden Age TPB. Written not just for adults, but adults with brains.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nim: George Lucas does NOT do necrophilian pornography. That is slander, Jason.
Wait untill he adds more new footage to the original trilogy for next september's DVD box set. It's already being worked on... Not only will Greedo fire first- he'll grab Han's ass!
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