Well how did you get 10 for Tigh and 12 for Adders?
Also, I find it interesting that this Six got all worked up about the Raiders, yet didn't seem to say much about the Centurions higher brain function inhibitors until she devised her little plan. Yet the promo for next week suggest her giving the Centurions sentience might backfire on her.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
We already knew that the Centurions were inhibited from higher thought... that had been mentioned a while back, by Sharon, I think.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Well I know that. What I'm saying is it seemed kinda hypocritical for Six to want to fight for the rights of Raiders but not their Centurion counterparts.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Perhaps. But the raiders already WERE sentient. The centurions had been prevented from gaining sentience. There's a difference between blocking innate capability versus taking away something that's already there. I don't think it's hypocritical... though it certainly was stupid.
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
Was this little coup/rebellions happening on just this one basestar or throughout the entire Cylon civilization?
Sharon/8 voted against lobotomizing the Cylons so Cavil and Co. found a different Sharon to vote with them, thus breaking the deadlock. Uh, how? Does each individual Cylon get a vote? Were there equal numbers of each model on the Basestar? No accounting for attrition?
Just a couple of quick questions.
I missed the episode too, but watched it on SciFi.com
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mars Needs Women: Well how did you get 10 for Tigh and 12 for Adders?
Also, I find it interesting that this Six got all worked up about the Raiders, yet didn't seem to say much about the Centurions higher brain function inhibitors until she devised her little plan. Yet the promo for next week suggest her giving the Centurions sentience might backfire on her.
I'm guessing at this point. ya'll know more about this than me... /me knees to the greater power (The Power of Puss~ERK!) Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
quote:Originally posted by HerbShrump: Was this little coup/rebellions happening on just this one basestar or throughout the entire Cylon civilization?
I'm beginning to wonder whether the Cylon civilization consists of only that small fleet of Base Stars.
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
What good does it do to assassinate the Cavil Cabal (LOL)? They'll just get resurrected anyway. On top of that, aren't there more of these models on the Basestar or is it just chock-full of Centurions and Raiders?
Glad Adama thought of sending the ship out with Kara at the end of the episode. I only suggested sending her out in a Raptor about a half-hour earlier.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Yeah, why are they going to use a freighter? Won't that draw more attention as a civilian ship is suddenly leaving the fleet for no reason. I mean will people buy the whole "They're going to look for minerals and stuff."? Oh yeah, then there's the fact that a Raptor is more suited for recon missions.
Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
Maybe she's gonna bring back fruit in a garbage scowl?
On a somewhat tangent... I found this image: Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Yeah, the assassination was a bit odd. We've seen the skinjobs on several occasions not caring particularly about being killed off. Although I guess they would be easier to contain if they were all 'reset' to the Resurrection Ship.
I'm assuming the council we saw was not just leading their own Basestar, but at least the small fleet of them we saw, and probably in some way the entire Cylon organization.
I found it interesting that Cavil seemed to differentiate the 'mechanical copies' from the Final Five. Maybe the Final Five had individual appearances and personalities?
One thing about the "Final One" not discovered yet. I find it quite odd that the Four are sort of assuming it must be on Galactica. Maybe the Final One was awakened by Bob Dylan (heh), but is actually undercover as a construction worker on some crappy freighter? I mean, we all know it's going to be one of the main or supporting characters, but story-wise, it could be any of the surviving humans.
Which brings me to that other point.. Maybe I've forgotten it, but can't Cylons recognize eachother? The 'awakened' Raider identified Anders. But apparently they don't get a "New Network Device Found" popup when they get in range of another agent?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by HerbShrump: ...Sharon/8 voted against lobotomizing the Cylons so Cavil and Co. found a different Sharon to vote with them, thus breaking the deadlock. Uh, how? Does each individual Cylon get a vote? Were there equal numbers of each model on the Basestar? No accounting for attrition?
If they were the case then logically the 8's & 6's should be in a minority to begin with since Caprica-6 and Athena are with the fleet. Perhaps having one 8 vote against the others somehow nullifies the vote. Although the models work with each other by democratic means, perhaps within the models themselves they must work by total harmonious consensus.
quote:Originally posted by HerbShrump: What good does it do to assassinate the Cavil Cabal (LOL)? They'll just get resurrected anyway. On top of that, aren't there more of these models on the Basestar or is it just chock-full of Centurions and Raiders?
I assume it's a coordinated strike since all the centurions are linked through the hybrid, so that accounts for at least one basetar. Resurrecting isn't instantaneous and takes a little time (especially when there's a backlog) so it will give the Six faction some time, perhaps to cold box them, or try too. Of course next comes the bit where the Three's get unboxed to break the deadlock. As for giving the Centurions freewill, someone has obviously forgotten what happened the last time they did that and why they were muzzled in the first place.
quote:Originally posted by Mars Needs Women: Yeah, why are they going to use a freighter? Won't that draw more attention as a civilian ship is suddenly leaving the fleet for no reason. I mean will people buy the whole "They're going to look for minerals and stuff."? Oh yeah, then there's the fact that a Raptor is more suited for recon missions.
Depends how long term the mission will be. We know that Raptors have a limited range (when they don't have Cylon raider brains plugged in anyway) and can only carry a limited number of people. A larger ship is more sustainable and can lay in supplies for a much longer haul.
I liked the bit where Baltar met 6's Harvey/Baltar and we see his narcissism is shown to be alive and well. More evidence though, that there is a higher power manipulating both 6 and Baltar. Paradoxically though, it refers to head Six as either a separate person (so not the same entity) or he/it thinks he's talking about the actual Six and so may not be aware that she's been visiting him too. Though it seams doubtful.
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
I like this idea that the final five must be individuals. That only makes sense. Many copies of Sixes and the rest floating around. Hard to keep the final five a secret if there were multiple copies of them.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Dude... I just had this crazy realization while reading some synopses of previous episodes. Remember "Downloaded," when Caprica-Six, Boomer, and a Three are buried in the rubble and find Anders there, too? Three was about to shoot Anders when Six bashed her head in. Could Caprica somehow, subconsciously know that Anders is one of the Final Five?
But generally, the Cylons (...er, that is, the seven main models, I guess) have encountered each of the four while they were in their latent phase. All of them were on New Caprica, and I'm fairly certain we saw a scene where each of them met one of the Cylons (...er, the occupying Cylons�this is a pain!).
I wonder how long ago the writers came up with the idea of those characters turning out to be Cylons?
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
If the final five exist only as individuals, they might also be unable to resurrect.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
can someone find the BSG last supper pic again. didn't someone say that somewhere in the 13 peps was #7?
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Could there be any significance to the fact that the Final Five includes Number Seven? I mean.. Number Eight is apparently an acceptable model (although it has produced a number of 'difficult' individuals, including Boomer that upset the vote), and assuming they numbered the models sequentially, it could mean the Final Five are really not significantly different in concept, but just had conflicting opinions (or rejected God).
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: Dude... I just had this crazy realization while reading some synopses of previous episodes. Remember "Downloaded," when Caprica-Six, Boomer, and a Three are buried in the rubble and find Anders there, too? Three was about to shoot Anders when Six bashed her head in. Could Caprica somehow, subconsciously know that Anders is one of the Final Five?
But generally, the Cylons (...er, that is, the seven main models, I guess) have encountered each of the four while they were in their latent phase. All of them were on New Caprica, and I'm fairly certain we saw a scene where each of them met one of the Cylons (...er, the occupying Cylons�this is a pain!).
I wonder how long ago the writers came up with the idea of those characters turning out to be Cylons?
Perhaps that's why D'Anna apologised to one of the Five in the temple...or was that a different three? I do wonder to what extent the individuals of a certain model are individual since we know Athena has all of Boomer's memories up until she left Helo on Caprica. Of course that seams to be a topic they're about to explore.
quote:Originally posted by Mars Needs Women: If the final five exist only as individuals, they might also be unable to resurrect.
Of course the five can't resurrect, they don't have a resurrection ship! Unless all the ships are built with a secret compartment only the Centurions can go...I wonder if the r-ships have hybrids running them too?
One thing I noticed, the number one spoke of "the programmers" as if they're not exactly sure who they are or what their motives were. Makes you wonder if the five were the original programmers. As for the significance of the numbering order, notice that the oldest looking model is number one and the youngest is number eight...perhaps, assuming the four of the five we know of created the others, numbering them one through eight and for whatever reason programmed them all save number seven not to think about them and took seven with them back to the colonies? To use a jigsaw analogy we have a corner, some side and a bit of the sky but still can't figure out where the green wibbly ones go...
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
I think the idea of one 8 choosing to vote against the rest of her model meant that the vote would now be 3.000...n...001 to 2.999...n...999.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I dunno; I find it highly unlikely that the Cylons would somehow make sure that there was EXACTLY the same number of individuals across each of the six (seven) models. Considering that they're in what amounts to a war, even with resurrection it would be difficult to ensure that there were constantly the exact same number of individuals for each model.
Somehow, I expect that they're using something akin to the US electoral system (which actually explains why it's so frakked up). As in, there's a democratic vote among each of the model's individuals, but each model gets one vote. I'm not quite sure how that explains Boomer, though.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reverend: Perhaps that's why D'Anna apologised to one of the Five in the temple...or was that a different three? I do wonder to what extent the individuals of a certain model are individual since we know Athena has all of Boomer's memories up until she left Helo on Caprica. Of course that seams to be a topic they're about to explore.
Oh, right! That makes perfect sense to explain the apology.
As far as the Threes, did they ever call the Three that Baltar associated with D'Anna? I'm not sure they did, in which case it'd be more likely that the Three that we saw so much of was the one who had her skull bashed in on Caprica. (Which was mentioned at one point, not exactly too fondly.) But the shared-memories thing would make some sense, too.
Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
I doubt that they have the same shared collective memories like say the Borg. Though when Athena had Helo blow her away to rescue Hera, Roslin was worried that the Cylons would know everything Athena would know about the Fleet when she downloaded into a Resurrection Ship. Perhaps a back up memory copy is made of Cylons going back to the Resurrection Ship for future analysis/intel... that is unless Caprica-Six deleted Athena's memory backup when she downloaded aboard to rescue her daughter.
And I always assumed that the Three we saw for most of Season 3 was D'Anna unless it was that movie theater version we saw in Final Cut. If that were the case, what happened to D'Anna then?
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
I didn't mean that as an exact mathematical depiction of what happened in the voting, more a metaphorical one. All members of a model count as one, regardless of how many there are when compared with other models. But as soon as the vote of one model was split, that was a net gain for the Lobotomy Party and a net loss for the Sentience Party. Looked at another way, splitting the 8 vote could be construed as abstaining, making the result three to two with one abstention.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mikey T: I doubt that they have the same shared collective memories like say the Borg. Though when Athena had Helo blow her away to rescue Hera, Roslin was worried that the Cylons would know everything Athena would know about the Fleet when she downloaded into a Resurrection Ship. Perhaps a back up memory copy is made of Cylons going back to the Resurrection Ship for future analysis/intel... that is unless Caprica-Six deleted Athena's memory backup when she downloaded aboard to rescue her daughter.
And I always assumed that the Three we saw for most of Season 3 was D'Anna unless it was that movie theater version we saw in Final Cut. If that were the case, what happened to D'Anna then?
Well until the Cylons arrived on New Caprica, D'anna was presumably still undercover, so the one on Old Caprica had to have been a different individual.
As for memory sharing, I'm pretty sure Athena said "it doesn't work like that" so if Cylon's can't forcibly extract memory then it must be voluntary and not in a Borg collective way, more like a periodic synchronisation within each model and only with the same model. If they Sync extends to all members of the model is debatable, so far all we know for certain is that it's on a one-to-one basis. One assumes Boomer's sleeper program (what ever happened to that personality anyway?) did the memory sync some point after she left Caprica.
quote:Originally posted by Lee: I didn't mean that as an exact mathematical depiction of what happened in the voting, more a metaphorical one. All members of a model count as one, regardless of how many there are when compared with other models. But as soon as the vote of one model was split, that was a net gain for the Lobotomy Party and a net loss for the Sentience Party. Looked at another way, splitting the 8 vote could be construed as abstaining, making the result three to two with one abstention.
That's pretty much what I said at the top of the page mate. Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mikey T: I doubt that they have the same shared collective memories like say the Borg. Though when Athena had Helo blow her away to rescue Hera, Roslin was worried that the Cylons would know everything Athena would know about the Fleet when she downloaded into a Resurrection Ship.
I don't remember if I mentioned this during that episode or not, but Roslyn's worries/concerns was stupid. OK, not stupid in itself but she only brought it up because of that specific situation. Sharon's a combat officer and faced death on a regular basis. If the President or Adama was concerned about Sharon's memories and tactical information falling into the wrong hands if she was killed then they should have pulled her off of active combat duty.
Not to mention all the other Cylon models that have had free reign through the Galactica and Fleet at one time or another. (Cavil?, D'anna, Six, Sharon, Leoben, Doral)
Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
quote:Originally posted by Pensive's Wetness: can someone find the BSG last supper pic again. didn't someone say that somewhere in the 13 peps was #7?
Entertainment Weekly, it has clues if you click on the numbers beside the pictures.
Three could have apologized to Anders because she almost shot him, or Tigh because he got the shit tortured out of him. Or she could've been apologizing to the Final One whom we haven't yet seen.
Tigh is *old.* Adama's known him for years and he has a military record going through two wars. The Cylons weren't even invented yet when Tigh was 'born' - and apparently the Final Five can actually age and Galen had actual parents etc etc...It seems to me they're fundamentally different from the Significant Seven. And they were created earlier. The "old" Centurions seem to have created the Hybrids and Humanoids on their own through medical experimentation...yet the Humanoids refer to the programmers...and then there are these older Humanoids who seem totally different but have later model numbers (assuming they were assigned sequentially anyway). So I'm just *REALLY FRAKKIN' CONFUSED.*
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Tigh is *old.* Adama's known him for years and he has a military record going through two wars. The Cylons weren't even invented yet when Tigh was 'born' - and apparently the Final Five can actually age and Galen had actual parents etc etc...
Bill didn't meet Saul until about 12 years AFTER the armistice, washed up and serving on a merchant freighter. As for his military record, I'm sure it's as real as Boomer's were. As for the Chief's parents, I'm sure he remembers them just as clearly as Boomer remembered her past before serving on Galactica.
As for who the "Programmers" were, I imagine they were the Old Centurions that put the new infrastructure in place. That is the cyborg Raiders, skinjobs and MK2 Hybrids. My suspicion is that the minds of those old Centurions were transferred into the bodies that we know as the final five. Why they would leave the other Cylons and program them not to think about them. I think an eight even said something about the "mystery of their origins" which indicates the Cylons knocking around today don't even know who programmed them or why. Either that or it's a tie-in to the new Caprica series. Whatever happened with the programmers/final five, happened no more than 12 years after the war as that's earliest time we KNOW one of them was living in the colonies.
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
quote:Originally posted by Daniel Butler: Why are you skipping 7 and inventing 13?
Seven is skipped because it is unassigned. Probably invented 13 because there's a 13th everything...
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Because 7 ate 9.
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
Watch this turn out to be Earthlings are the programmers and creators of the new Cylons with Retsin!
I just have this feeling that this is going to end up with a disappointing or cliche' ending.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
I think it's more likely it will be more disappointing than cliched. It might have some ambiguous WTF ending which presents more questions than answers.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
I hate numerical cannibals.
I find myself pondering who the last Cylon could possibly be and after a browse on the Battlestar Wiki, I'm wondering if it might be Kendra Shaw. Why? Well we know it's not Kara or Baltar since A) Too obvious and B) The final Cylon supposedly isn't at that "last supper" photo. Secondly there's that bit in the end of Razor where the Hybrid says this...
quote:Soon there will be four, glorious in awakening, struggling with the knowledge of their true selves. The pain of revelation bringing new clarity and in the midst of confusion, he will find her. Enemies brought together by impossible longing. Enemies now joined as one. The way forward at once unthinkable, yet inevitable. And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering.
I don't think any character (not counting the ones ruled out already) fit's that description quite as much as dose Shaw. Also the "in the midst of confusion, he will find her." is intriguing. Of course you can argue that she had a nuke blow up in her face, but then didn't Starbuck's Viper get crushed by huge atmospheric pressure and blow up? Even if she ejected; if it did that to metal, think what it'd do to flesh and bone. Yet she's back and not a Cylon, so it's in the realms of possibility. I could be and probably am wrong of course, but it's a nice thought. Mostly I can't think of anyone else interesting enough to be the Final One. Gaeta? Seelix? Cottle? Racetrack? I doubt it. Zarek is currently a very close #2 on my list of prime suspects. #3 #4 are Ellen and Billy respectively, although again, they're also "deceased" characters. Logically I suppose Zarek is more likely, but I suspect the final one will be a woman. For starters, including Tory, there are only four female models out of the twelve. If you're of the mind that there's some symmetry to the various groups of 12 (Olympians/Lords, Cylons, Colonies and Constellations) then it should be worth noting that out of the Twelve Olympians...Ah, six of them are women (Hera, Demeter, Aphrodite, Athena, Artemis and Hestia).
Actually, I wonder what parallels we can find. It's too late for me to the research right now, but I'll try and dig up the vital facts and see what parallels can be drawn.
Posted by shikaru808 (Member # 2080) on :
Good bit of research. But Shaw wasn't much of a well played out character but I see your reasoning.
However, Billy FTW
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Also the "in the midst of confusion, he will find her." is intriguing.
Scratch that. It's clearly a reference to Starbuck's return.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Close up (well, relatively) pictures taken at the time of "Rapture" indicate that two of the Five are female, but since they're obviously stand-ins in those shots, and not the actors, and none of these close-ish shots were seen onscreen there's no real reason to say they have to adhere to that.
In hindsight it'll seem balatantly obvious who the protoHybrid was referring to, but at present his words could apply to just about anyone. And, to be frank, to first reveal that four of the Five are well-known characters, and then to later introduce a new character, and even later reveal her as the last of the Five - it's cheating.
So, a character, possibly female, who needs redemption. Ellen Tigh has been at the top of everyone's lists for so long, I doubt it'd be her (although I've seen BTS shots taken quite recently of her on-set, so she's making a return of some kind, presumably flashbacks for Saul, unless he's getting a Head-Ellen). I'm thinking Helena Cain. . .
That said, I don't FEEL it's Helena Cain. One day, way back in early 1991, I just suddenly realised who killed Laura Palmer, but couldn't explain how I knew (I was right). I figured out who the Ice-Truck Killer was in Dexter just last week - the reveal episode was this week (yes, we're way behind in the UK, but I'm enjoying the novelty of actually watching a show on TV for once). I'm just waiting for that bolt of lightning to strike. The clues are there, apparently, I just need to put them together. But I'm also strangely drawn to Cally, despite the reasons why not her.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
I'd rule out Cally altogether. Mostly because she already has a half Cylon child and having him turn out to be a full Cylon would be pushing things a bit too much. Also, out of all the characters she's the quintessential innocent of the group, not a person I feel is in need of redemption.
Kat would certainly be a contender if she hadn't already redeemed herself. Cain...I agree, it doesn't fell right for her. I suppose Dee has had enough exposure to justify her being a Cylon without cheating, but then again, like Cally she hasn't done anything in need of redemption (as far as we know) except maybe messing poor Billy around.
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
I wonder if it will be Laura Roslin
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
No, it won't.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Also I think Cally might die tonight.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
One thing: RDM revealed in one interview that the Final Cylon isn't in the Last Supper pic (although there is a space at the table to represent him/her). He then admitted he wished he hadn't, presumably because it does limit the options.
Or does it? I've always held that the F1 can't be one of the major characters, because they were all on Galactica during the reveal of the F4, and so should have been summoned and turned up at the same time.
Unless the F1 isn't the same as the F4 - he/she is a whole level above them, just as they are (seemingly) a whole level above the rest of the Cylons. A Cyber-Controller! The Architect! God, as played by Dirk Benedict! Keyser Soze!
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
If it was Dirk Benedict I think I'd be grinning for a week, like I was when he turned up on Big Brother.
But we would have heard about that by now, wouldn't we?
I saw the pics of the actress who plays Ellen too, but wondered if she was just visiting the set. I seem to remember that Michael Hogan and Edward James Olmos were in costume, but she wasn't. But in any case, like you say, it's most likely for flashbacks if she was filming.
It'd be a very interesting dynamic, though. Tigh kills her for collaborating with the Cylons, discovers he himself is a Cylon and then finds out she was one too. Should he still feel guilty for killing her and in what way should he approach her now?
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
"Ellen, I'm so glad you're a Cylon!"? Hmm...
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
Is there anyone else from BSGTOS, besides old school Apollo, alive and interested in NuBSG? I thought 'Face Man' put a dagger or two into the new series, ensuring he'd 'never BE ON THE SERIES'?
:/
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Yes, Dirk Benedict wrote an article that basically proved he is a misogynistic bastard.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Damn you feminist! Damn you all to hell! Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Too bad for him. As I understand it before he went and stuck his foot in it RDM had an idea to end the first season with Baltar seeing Benedict in the Kobol Opera house (with "All Along the Watchtower" playing in the background) and then have him say, "Hi! I'm God". Obviously they didn't do it, but he was in their thoughts. It really is a shame because before I read that article (and Katee Sackhoff reaction) I had thought he'd be good as Kara's Piano playing, cigar smoking father (seen through flashback of course.) I'd be interested to see what kind of man had a child with that dried up, chain smoking and bitter ex-squaddie that was Socrata Thrace. Somehow I get the impression they weren't married
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Old-Apollo was pretty hesitant about NuBSG originally too, wasn't he? But now he likes it enough to be on it. And he was like a rabid nutty fan of a dead cult sci-fi show....except he was actually on the cult sci-fi show. (Poooor Galactica 1980.)
Helena Cain's always been a bitch. Left her sister to die when the Cylons came during the last war. Which also made me think they're going to find her little sister all grown up - the kid was apparently taken, her body wasn't there. Just her dolly.
There won't be gender symmetry in the 12 anyway. Even if the Final One is a woman, it'll be 7 men, 5 women. So maybe it's not a point to even wonder about. Then again, it does "feel" like they'd do 7/5 more than they would 8/4. Especially since they already split the Cylons into a group of 7 and 5 ;P
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Here's something about that episode that caught my attention. Now for starters I like the military aspect to the show. I like that they use military terms usually correctly. CIC for example, when I was stationed on the Fitzgerald I worked in CIC. Unlike Star Trek which shows all the action happening on the bridge, on a real Navy ship CIC is where all the decision making actions take place.
And on a side note, I think it's cool that the USS Fitzgerald DDG-62 made its way into the BSG universe, DDG-62 was the engine model of the blackbird. Apparently one of the writers/producers got a tour of the Fitzgerald before it switched homeports from San Diego to Yokosuka.
Anyway, I've digressed... as far as the rank structure goes it follows a mix of Navy and Army titles such as ensign, lieutenant (and LTJG), commander and admiral (all Navy ranks) and then titles like major and colonel (Marine/Air Force/Army) ranks. The enlisted ranks are pretty much Navy also.
Now to finally get to my point, in a scene in this episode during Apollo's party before he leaves the fleet there's a shadowbox with various rank patches in it. What caught my attention were the few current Air Force enlisted rank patches. Maybe they figured it would only be seen for a second and no one would notice, but this doesn't strike me as that type of show. It instead reinforces the idea that it takes place way in our future. Be it that the 12 colonies were created by people from Earth and some how left or a stray ship from the SGC left some USAF badges on Caprica I don't know.
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
quote:Originally posted by Hobbes: And on a side note, I think it's cool that the USS Fitzgerald DDG-62 made its way into the BSG universe, DDG-62 was the engine model of the blackbird.
Could you explain this a bit more, please?
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
ok...
USS Fitzgerald DDG-62 Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer The first ship I was stationed on from 2002-2004 in San Diego.
quote:The DDG-62 is a model of sublight engine, outdated by the time of the Fall of the Twelve Colonies. The engines are apparently meant for small, one-man craft, and provide ample acceleration that seems to match that of a Viper Mark II.
During the construction of the Blackbird, a prototype craft devised by Galen Tyrol and constructed by crew of Galactica, Colonel Saul Tigh offers Tyrol a pair of these engines that are taking up space in the Baah Pakal's cargo hold (Flight of the Phoenix).
The engines were designed by aeronautical engineer Peter Laird, who says that they were mostly phased out of use 10 years ago (Pegasus).
Notes * DDG-62 is also the real-word designation of the US Navy Arleigh Burke class destroyer USS Fitzgerald. DDG is the Navy hull classification for a guided missile destroyer.
* The engines' name is an homage to that very ship. The show's science advisor, Kevin R. Grazier, organized a tour of the vessel for the writing staff. Ultimately only Bradley Thompson and his wife attended, but he later included the reference into the episodes as thanks.
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
Ah, okay! I didn't remember that it was the name of the engines themselves. The way you said it, it sounded to me like they modeled the *shape* of the engines based on the Fitzgerald. No wonder it wasn't making sense to me.... Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by Hobbes: Now to finally get to my point, in a scene in this episode during Apollo's party before he leaves the fleet there's a shadowbox with various rank patches in it. What caught my attention were the few current Air Force enlisted rank patches. Maybe they figured it would only be seen for a second and no one would notice, but this doesn't strike me as that type of show. It instead reinforces the idea that it takes place way in our future. Be it that the 12 colonies were created by people from Earth and some how left or a stray ship from the SGC left some USAF badges on Caprica I don't know.
I noticed those patches too but to be honest I wouldn't read too much into it. It'd be like the modern military using rand insignia that has gone unchanged since the days of Nebuchadrezzar. I think it's more of what we've seen with the Hum-vee, Eastern European cars, Cain's collection of flintlocks and "All Along The Watchtower". Not a relic of the past so much as a echo from the collective unconscious or even the idea that humans will reinvent thing again and again without having any knowledge of the previous incarnation or even have two groupe come up with the same thing totally independent of each other. This is a more common phenomenon than you might think, though in reality it's rarely as specific.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
How else could you shape a flintlock-type gun, anyway? Or a car? Granted the lines could be a bit different, but the basic shape of a gun or ground vehicle invented by any group of humans would be the same.
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