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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Omega: [QB] Warped: "A little thing in the US constitution called separation of church and state." There is no such thing. The only thing in the constitution relating to religion is the first sentence of the first ammendment. "Congress whall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." All that says is that the US government can't have anything to do with religion (and it could be interpreted that an individual state could in theory establish a state religion, but that's for another thread). It's freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. That also means that if the US government tries to pass any law pertaining to the teaching of evolution OR creation, I'll be so annoyed that I will personally take it to the supreme court and have the law overturned, but, again, another topic. Anyway, as far as the constitution is concerned, a state could teach Shinto in its schools and the national government couldn't do a thing about it. At least not legally, as if that matters to the current Atourney General and her boss. 1of2: "Of course, you've already discounted those examples with... um.. well, not much, really." Examples of one species changing directly into another? I don't recall. Care to refresh my memory? "mathematically impossible.. well, I don't know where you get that, but I'd bet against it in a horse race." I'm refering to the origin of life in this case. the amount of data in ONE average chromosome (anybody know in bytes?) could NOT in any reasonable hypothesis have formed into a usable physical shape, much less in the proper order to function as the effective programming of a metabolizing, self-replecating organism. That would be like telling a computer to spit out random ones and zeros and the ones and zeros just happening to be a Mac OS that would completely blow OS9 away, only far more unlikely. "come to think of it, I've never actually OBSERVED a baby being put inside its mother's belly" The point is that you COULD observe it, if you so chose (and you could get some willing subjects). "where is the mathematic equation that proves that two undifferentiated cells can form a complete being?" You don't need one. All the genetic data already exists. It's just a matter of combining it. The mathematical point I was making is described above. "ah, Creationist logic. like throwing snowballs at a burning building." Yeah, but YOU are the ones throwing the snowballs. "Anyway, e's right." No, e's not. See above. I would agree, however, that creationism shouldn't be taught arbitrarily any more than evolution should. How about this: if there is a significant number of students in a school that wish to have a certain religion taught, then the school should set up an OPTIONAL class to teach that religion. So if you live in an area where most people in your school are Bhudists, then the school would teach Bhudism, but you wouldn't be forced to take it, or penalized if you didn't. You could even have two or three different classes for different religions, if you had enough students willing to attend to fill the rooms to a reasonable degree. And I'm including evolutionism in the class "religion" for the purposes of this theory, so if a significant group of students wanted a class on evolution, then a class would be set up to teach it. "In every country and in every age the priest has been hostile to Liberty; he is always in allegiance to the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection of his own." Agreed. There are, however, very few religions with actual priests any more. Priests had (have?) actual power over their "subjects'" (for lack of a better word) actions relating to anything. If you don't do what they say, you're excommunicated (or burned at the stake, depending on what era you're living in). Yours, and two more. "They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly: for I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." - Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush, September 23, 1800 "Question with boldness even the existence of a God, because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." - Thomas Jefferson "The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive." - Thomas Jefferson [/QB][/QUOTE]
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