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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Omega: [QB] JK: "Because if you haven't, you've really got no place to judge me." We're not judging you. We're judging your views. "I haven't seen you say anything that goes against the Party Line..." You really could use some lessons in logic. What's your point with this? "...so I wouln't speak about others doing the same. Again, you're being rather hipocritical." Um, no. I can demonstrate my views to be correct, because I arrived at them through independent thought. You can't do the same. It's can not be hypocracy when the two events aren't comparable. "I make no moral judgements against the mother, it is up to her..." Again, you're good at avoiding questions. Just not good enough. Answer it flat out: do you believe the mother has a right to kill her child, and if so, why? Secondly, we're not judging the mother. Just her actions. There's a difference. "It's a fact that the death penalty is much more expensive than life in prison." I'd like to know why that is, personally. How could a few drugs (or bullets if you live in Utah) and a fraction of a public defender's salary cost more than feeding a man for a couple decades? Let alone paying for the guards, the electrical bill, construction of the prison itself... JK2: "I'm sorry. I can't believe what an idiot I am." Oh, you left yourself wide open there, buddy. [IMG]http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif[/IMG] UM: What's wrong with being repetitive and stubborn? Pseudo-logical and deaf I object to. I object to being called deaf. But I can be repetitive sometimes. Sometimes. There's nothing wrong with being repetitive. Tora: "Mr. Thou-Shall-Not-Kill-Applies-Not-To-Murderers Omega." Which is why I've gone either way on this issue in the past. The simple answer is that it's unequivocably better for society as a whole for some people to be put to death. I don't think I could personally be asked to call where the line is, but there are cases... TZ2: "1. What kind of criminal doesn't believe he/she can get away with it when committing the act?" One who doesn't care whether they get caught or not. Perhaps they intend to end their own life. Perhaps any possible punishment is deemed "worth it". Basically, the vast minority of criminals. Which is probably your point. "2. If you believed you can get away with murder, would you care what the law does to murderers, at least enough to refrain from committing the crime?" You're suggesting that stiffer penalties have no effect on crime rates? You're ACTUALLY suggesting that? In contradiction of all statistical evidnece, no less? But ignoring all precedent, and proceeding on a purely logical basis... Of course the possible punishment matters to the criminal. It's a simple risk/reward formula. Any intelligent person knows that there's always a chance that they'll get caught. Is it worth spending six months in jail if I had a 5% chance of getting away with $10 mil? Assuming no moral compunctions against stealing, most would say, "Heck, yeah!" Is it worth spending fourty YEARS in prison? Probably not. Or for a simpler example: how many parking tickets would be handed out if the fine for speeding was $2,000? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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