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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Omega: [QB] [i]Name an event that has caused humanity great suffering and had NOTHING to do with religion[/i] The birth of Karl Marx. His half-baked philosophy has been responsible for more deaths than every war this century combined. Fo2: [i]"If the Nazis had called themselves Democrats, would you be going around saying that the Democratic party is dangerous because they caused WW2?" If today's Democrats held the same basic beliefs as the "Nazi" Democrats, you're damned right I would.[/i] Your logic is sound. And since neither I nor other Christians today hold the same basic beliefs as the Crusaders, you can therefore not hold that we are capable of the same attrocities. [i]"Their ONLY belief was that the Pope was the messenger of God." This is either a MASSIVE oversimplification, or an out-and-out lie[/i] Simplification, not OVERsimplification. Yes, they held other beliefs, but they all stemmed from that one. They believed what the Pope told them, regardless of whether it was consistant with the teachings of Christ, and thus they were NOT Christians. [i]Moreover, like you, they claimed to be the "REAL" Christians[/i] Yes, but UNLIKE me, they didn't follow the teachings of Christ. Thus, not Christians. The definition of "Christian" is not someone who CLAIMS to follow the teachings of Christ, it's someone who DOES follow the teachings of Christ. [i]They worshippped God, they went to church, they followed the instructions church elders, their 'superiors,' and all that other rot. All those basic beliefs are still part of Christianity.[/i] No. The only basic belief of Christianity is that we should follow the commands of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Their philosophy was totally disparate, in that they believed that they should follow the commands of those who claimed to represent the Son of God. A completely different concept. [i]If their superiors led them astray, that just shows the danger of listening to people who claim to be speaking for God. (Which every preacher/minister/rabbi/prophet/televangelist/charismatic/evangelistic/witness does.)[/i] I have never, ever heard any preacher in any church I have ever attended claim to be speaking for God. The only person that even claimed to be Christian, aside from various cult leaders (Koresh, etc.), that I've ever known to do that in the last couple millenia is the Pope, and I ain't Catholic. All my preachers do is say, "You know, I've found somethin' really neat in here. Lemmie show you." Your beliefs are based on many misconceptions, Rob. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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