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[QUOTE]Originally posted by The_Tom: [QB] Methinks Omega's been learning his history from the same people who are teaching him his biology. Governments that let "they started it" guide their foreign policy are in dire need of being locked in a small, dark room with Anne Robinson. Israel: "Let's keep arse-fucking the Arab scum! They started it!" Palestine: "Let's keep arse-fucking the Zionist shit monkeys! They started it!" N.I. Catholics: "Let's keep arse-fucking the Prods! They started it!" N.I. Protestants: "Let's keep arse-fucking the Micks! They started it!" Ethnic Albanians: "Let's keep arse-fucking those Slavic assfaces! They started it!" Macedonians and Serbians: "Let's keep arse-fucking those Albanian wankers! They started it!" I'd toss in Iraq, Iran, the Kurds, the Turks, the Pakistanis, the Indians, the Vietnamese, the Javans, the Papuans, the Basques, the Spaniards, the Columbian gov't and its rebels etc. etc... but I'd run out of suitable insults. The Korean War is a relic of history. If you use it as justification for the pursuance of an aggressive war-mongering foreign policy against PRC (yes, the name might be innacurate, but if your name is Gerry Adams, so is "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland") then Canada would be equally justified in militarizing from its foundation, someday hoping to get back at those "evil people in control of the largest army on earth" who, in a textbook example of an illegal invasion, attempted to forcibly annex Canada in 1812. Anyway, back to your history. The United States has most certainly attempted to forcibly conquer other sovereign states since 1814. Gee, how the hell did little places like Guam and American Samoa become part of the US? Or how about Teddy Roosevelt's little campaigns in the Caribbean, hmm? And yes, the process continued right through the two World Wars when the US did some incredibly awful things in the name of "defending democracy against communism" when it was in fact "defending free-market economies controlled by rump juntas of wealthy fuckheads against democratically elected populists who wanted to crack down on foreign exploitation." Siegfried has already brought up the School of the Americas. I spent months last year researching a term paper on the CIA-under-GHWB/Kissinger/Nixon's dealings in the Southern Cone and [i]Operation Condor[/i] (the repressive secret organization, not the Jackie Chan film), and the amount of evidence that Americans were actively helping aforementioned nasty juntas exterminate evil commie bastards makes Darwinian theory look as unfounded as the collected canon of Gene Ray. (Oh, wait...) Anyway, while in Latin America the Americans didn't actually send their People's Liberation Army marching in and call the area the "United States Overseas Possession of Chile," they did essentially the same thing. So, to China's credit, at least they're honest about commiting military aggression. Anyway, America is by and large a free and democratic country and has by and large nice people in it. But it doesn't need people advocating the myth that it defends democracy and takes the moral high ground as a matter of due course. America's foreign policy is easily the most self-serving in the Western World. "Gee, whiz, let's not support a ban on antipersonnel landmines, cuz, gee, American soldiers need to use landmines to save democracy, and besides, every landmine Americans lay is only gonna kill evil commie bastards." "Gee, whiz, let's not support having an International Criminal Court, cuz, gee, people like Henry Kissinger might get put on trial and we all know he was just an American hero who only ordered people killed if democracy and freedom and American economic and political interests (which are all synonymous, by the way) would benefit." Yes, the Chinese communists are a bunch of arsewipes who've performed no shortage of atrocities in Tibet and in Tiannamein Square and against the Falun Gong people. They supported those lovely folks in North Korea who tried to invade the South, not to mention those lovelable Khmer Rouge sorts. But this isn't good vs. evil. This is American interests versus Chinese ones. Entrenching oneself in the belief that your interests are the only ones that can be allowed to triumph and that you are justified in using force to make that so is as morally reprehensible as it gets. The US spent thirty years saying "The USSR are evil people who must be destroyed" and aside from nearly blowing the world to kingdom come a couple of times, it was only through [i]detente[/i] that the Cold War got going on the tracks to resolution. As Daryus are quite accurately pointed out, the brewing US/China cold war, which [i]was[/i] en route to detente before it became a full-on COld War, notwithstanding a rather misaimed NATO bomb or two, is now again well on-track thanks largely to Shrub's decision to start playing hardball for political points. (I await the inevitable comment about Clinton the traitorous bastard letting the pinko scum into the Pentagon basement and all the "solid" evidence of this happening). Except unlike the US/USSR one, this Cold War's clearly a military mismatch. And the fact that this is a mismatch will force the Chinese to try and alleviate that very fact. M.A.D. is still the only effective way to save one's ass from a nuclear strike, and if China thinks that the Americans are likely to do so, then they will develop the capability to do the same back at the US. If the US puts up an NMD, China'll just build more missiles. And faster than Bush can mispronounce "proliferation," we have a rather bad situation. It was the USSR's military inferiority to the Atomically-armed Americans that led to their stonghandedness in Eastern Europe. Mismatches are baaaad. So, lessons to be learned? Even if the guy across the street is really nasty old sort, standing on one's lawn and screaming across the street that he's a fuckheaded shit-for-brains is unlikely to do much to alleviate the situation, nor is driving one's pickup across the street and spinning doughnuts on his lawn. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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