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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Omega: [QB] [i] So, Omega, you believe that neither the "nurture" nor "nature" side is correct, but that the "truth" (so to speak) is somewhere in the middle?[/i] Everyone's got a base personality. It's like their OS: the software that comes pre-installed. But most, if not all, of it can be changed, either by environment or by purposeful effort. You start as one thing, and may or may not change to something else. All depends. [i] Well, if your parents raised both of you the same way, then even in your own family your "(don't) spare the rod . . . " method only has a 50% success rate, and that is if we discount your younger sibling.[/i] Um... why are all of you assuming that the third is the youngest? Just because I MENTIONED him third... As for the success rate, he could have been punished more and it would likely have helped. Remember, I was a much easier child. [i]You conveniently forgot to quote my statement regarding my obedience to non-violent parents.[/i] Part of your ingrained personality. More difficult children can require different approaches. [i]Any "reasonable" child would do the same, without violence.[/i] Find me a reasonable child, and I'll find you five that aren't. [i]In that case, the nature of that difficulty should be addressed, be it biological, chemical, or emotional, by professionals.[/i] Oh, OK. So we should just drug kids instead of diciplining them. Just so we're clear on that. [i]a "reasonable" court will rule in favor of the parents, who were acting in the child's best interest[/i] It's still a violation of rights. By your standard, the government can take away everyone's guns, and keep them from going to church, and claim that it's in their best interest. It would be absurd to claim that as a legal standard. [i]Why should adults be entitled to more rights than children?[/i] Because children are not mentally capable of handling the responsibilities of adults. If children had the same rights as adults, children could own and carry guns. Children could also not be punished by their parents. These are obviously undesirable. [i]Frankly, the less "clarification" from the government on the most personal insitution in our lives, the better.[/i] Hang on. I'm telling the federal government that it CAN'T interfere with family issues. That seems to be exactly what you want. And yet you're complaining? You're not making any sense. Heck, you're the one advocating that kids should be drugged or sent to therapists instead of diciplined. [i] I fail to see how degrading the physical act of love, a process by which another human being may created, by derogatorily referring to it as "breeding," could make one feel intelligent.[/i] So do I. And considering it was practically quoted from the Doc on Voyager... [/QB][/QUOTE]
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