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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MeGotBeer: [QB] [i]Now the challenge: can you convince Jeff of this? I was having an argument with him last night, and the best he could do was say "There is no God. Fact."[/i] Erm. Omega, buddy, as I told you repeatedly, I am [i]open[/i] to the [i]possibility[/i] that a supernatural force (be it God, Allah, Shiva or Steven Seagal) created the universe. However, I do [i]not[/i] accept it as a certainty. And for this, you call me "not open minded." Hah! Speaking of which, here's a recent bit we had on ICQ: [QUOTE]Jeff: (11:57 PM) Well, as you said (in regards to my Jim-Bob statement), "you propose existance outside the universe." Explaining the creation of the universe still assumes existance outside the universe. Omega: (11:58 PM) Always. But that existence must be timeless. I thought you were implying that we were simply a result of a different universe. Jeff: (11:59 PM) Well, who knows? Of course, there's always the possiblity that the universe has always existed. But the point I'm trying to make, is that I'm peeved that you said I wasn't open-minded for not accepting the CERTAINTY of something, but rather, the POSSIBLITY of it. Omega: (12:00 AM) [b]You're not open-minded because you're set in your ways.[/b] There is no other possibility, therefore this one is the correct one, by process of elimination. Jeff: (12:01 AM) I completely disagree with that. Omega: (12:02 AM) The part that there's no other possibility? Jeff: (12:02 AM) That, as you suggest that God is timeless, the universe is timeless. Omega: (12:03 AM) Impossible. The amount of entropy in the universe is constantly increasing. There must have been a point where entropy was zero: the beginning. Omega: (12:04 AM) You see, it's a little known fact that the laws of nature contradict each other. The law of increasing entropy demands a beginning to existence, and yet the law of mass-energy conservation doesn't allow for one. Jeff: (12:04 AM) Maybe it just decided to expand ... or maybe it shrinks, then expands, then shrinks, then expands ... Omega: (12:04 AM) That would require decreases in entropy, which is impossible. At least, without some entity capable of violating the laws of nature. :-) Jeff: (12:05 AM) Okay, you got me. I'm God. Jeff: (12:05 AM) Altho I prefer being called Steven. Omega: (12:05 AM) Yes, we all know you think that. Jeff: (12:06 AM) It's okay, I won't scoop Tennessee from the face of the earth. Just accept it. I'm Ste ... er, God. Omega: (12:06 AM) *SMITE* If you were God, could I have done that and gotten away with it? Jeff: (12:07 AM) Could you have typed *smite*? Sure. You can also type "you stupid sack of shit." But I've gotten better at ignoring people then about 3,000 years ago or whenever when I flooded the world. Omega: (12:08 AM) I REALLY wish they hadn't canceled "God, the Devil and Bob"... Jeff: (12:09 AM) So sorry. Didn't you say you had to go to bed? Omega: (12:09 AM) I lied. Jeff: (12:09 AM) New sig :) Omega: (12:10 AM) You know, I have infinitely better quotes than that. Jeff: (12:10 AM) Well, since this conversation is going to be repetitions of me saying, "I am open minded" and you saying "no you're not there's only one possiblity!" let's change the subject. Jeff: (12:10 AM) Yes, I know ... I've got a great one I'm still using. Omega: (12:10 AM) Mine's better. :-)[/QUOTE] <small>That gem of a quote highlighted by me ... for obvious reasons -- er, you know, the one in bold :) </small> [/QB][/QUOTE]
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