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[QUOTE]Originally posted by First of Two: [QB] Who's Rush? I don't know anybody named Rush, I've never listened to anybody named Rush... well, okay, I knew a kid in high-school named Nick Rush, who'd gotten kicked out of Catholic school for being an individual, but he wasn't interested in politics at all. All right. Maybe there IS some kind of trust fund associated with Social Security. Okay? Now, is there any evidence to suggest that THAT fund you've mentioned actually IS or HAS BEEN touched by anybody? JeffK: You are falling into the exact same either-or fallacy that Omega does about the Creation of the Universe: Special Creation by God or Darwinian Evolution. You both fail to realize that the answer can still be Other. There are not simply TWO choices for the origin of rights, there are THREE. 1: God 2: Man 3: Inherent Choices 1 and 2 require that rights are given by some outside force: Either super-being, or some shadowy group of men. But choice three (admittedly, a difficult one for many minds to grasp, even mine) insists that humans (or any reasoning being) have rights simply by EXISTING, and they are not 'given' or 'granted.' Rights that are inherent cannot be given or taken away. They simply ARE. This is the choice we MUST accept, if we are ever to move out among the stars, and meet other life forms, without becoming genocidal. It is the choice we HOPE that any advanced alien race we meet accepts, because if they don't, then we are TOAST. When you do not recognize that rights are inherent, you open the door to mass murder of those who are 'different' because they don't worship your God (who would therefore not grant them your rights) or because they're not 'men' by your definition (and history shows us that there are PLENTY of ways to dehumanise human beings, much less other life forms.) Think about it... if advanced aliens who DIDN'T follow choice #3 landed tomorrow, would you suddenly have only the rights THEY might decide to grant you? Would you still be free, or would you willingly accept the status of servitor/slave? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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