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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Omega: [QB] [i]If every country in the world had minimal religion, how many wars would we have seen this century? Any at all?[/i] I'd say around 90% of them. Both world wars would still have happened. The Soviets would still have killed eighty or ninety million of their own people. Same for the Chinese. Same for Sadaam, and almost every other dictator on the planet. Jay: [i]Let's make it a multi-national, heck even global effort so that every country in the world is protected from these from rouge ICBMs[/i] Um... I DID answer that. [i]Omega clearly has no idea what liberal or progressive thought entails.[/i] I've never quite figured this out: progressive in what direction? Progress towards what, exactly? It's another one of those meaningless terms. [i]Hitler was not a liberal.[/i] Yes, he was, because he believed in a large government. When you're discussing politics within the US, you need to use terms that apply here to avoid confusion. Hitler may not have been a liberal in the sense that the term was used in 1930's Germany, but he's certainly a liberal by the definitions of 2001 America. Think about it: the Democrats are liberal. You don't disagree with that, I presume. But the liberals never want to change ANYTHING. Notice how nothing major happened during the Clinton administration without GOP support? Thus the definition of liberal must be different than what you think it is. A word means what people mean when they say it. But I notice... "Liberals want to change things to increase personal freedom and tolerance, and are willing to empower government to the extent necessary to achieve those ends." The definition is contradictory. They want to increase personal freedom, but they also want to increase the power of the government over people. Impossible. Also stupid, as history has repeatedly shown. [i]Yes, Castro is a socialist/Communist Dictator. But that does not imply that All Out Socialist = Dictatorship.[/i] Quite correct, it merely implies a still undesirable totalitarian government. I stand corrected. [i]Ontario had a Socialist government at one point. Were they labelled Dictators? No. What about the present Conservative government? References to Dictator are being made on Mike Harris.[/i] Pick your definition. Liberal and conservative don't mean the same thing in Canada (or pretty well anywhere else) as they have here since ~1930-40. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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