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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Omega: [QB] *sigh* Jay, you said, [i]let's give the shield to any country that wants to help pay for it,[/i] to which I replied, [i]I believe that's the current plan.[/i] Go read the thread, would you? It's on the first page, half way down, give or take a post. [i]Gee, you don't think it had anything to do with the GOP majority shooting down any and all bills they didn't like, do you?[/i] Clinton never PROPOSED anything major. Nothing to save SS or Medicare, for example. All that he proposed was Nafta, et al., which is an external issue, not subject to current US definitions of libereal and conservative. That and his budgets, which slashed the military and hiked funding for social programs. [i]Somebody better tell George W. Bush. You may not be aware of this, but he's taken the very liberal (by your definition) step of Federalizing airport/plane security.[/i] No, that is NOT liberal, because the federal government gains no new power over anyone's life. [i]Liberals felt that the problems were too serious to be passively left to chance in this way, and that government should have a role in influencing the social framework within which people act.[/i] BINGO! Liberals think that government is the solution to our problems. Thank you. [i]Liberals do *not* want the government to protect people from themselves[/i] Coulda fooled me. [i]Liberals feel that when properly regulated, self-interest is a powerful and useful motivation; it should be harnessed, rather than erased.[/i] Again, give the government power, and it'll fix everything. Read a history book, man, 'cause that's been disproven time and again. [i]People too often here confuse liberal with "democrat" and conservative with "Republican." There are a great deal of conservative democrats and liberal Republicans.[/i] Yes, but when talking about the democrats, one can also be refering to the democratic party as an institution, which is most certainly liberal. [i]"Now I got something for you that's true--1972, Tufts University, Boston. This is 24 years ago--or 22 years ago. Three year study of 5000 co-eds, and they used a benchmark of a bra size of 34C. They found that the--now wait. It's true. The larger the bra-size, the smaller the IQ."[/i] Did it ever occur to you that he may have had a bad source? Here's a game: make a list of all the eronius statements that Rush Limbaugh has made in his career. Eliminate the jokes. The rest are presumably due to bad sources. You wanna know how long that list will be, after a 14-year career, plus some TV and a couple books? About three pages. See, someone already did that, in a book called "The Way Things Aren't: Rush Limbaugh's Reign of Error". It was already a very small book in all dimensions (we're talking little kiddie size, here), and half the stuff in it was obviously intended as humor. The rest added up to about two real pages of text. Toss in a generous extra page for the years since this was published, and Rush is still far more accurate than most school textbooks out there. Go ahead. Try it. [i]I'll find some "racist" and "bigot" remarks he's made[/i] Five bucks. Anyone? Of course, Jeff has enough bucks, what with that deer-killing machine he rides around in... [i]Perhaps they're admiring the irony of someone who blasted the ADA becoming disabled himself.[/i] He still won't support the ADA, because it's still a bad federal law. And it looks like he'll be getting his hearing back, at least in part, BTW. Not that anyone probably cares about the original topic of discussion at this point. [i]Hitler was a liberal. Ok, would you care to offer up anything in the way of proof for that statement?[/i] Under Hitler, the government gained enormous power over the lives of the people. I'm guessing I won't get any argument over that one. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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