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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Omega: [QB] Have you ever READ "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot"? It invalidates itself. Frikin' spontaneous reboot. I meant to post six hours ago... [i]The ideas on Chris Holt's site do not mention the size of government, only the fact that the citizens expect the government to make their lives easier. They do not expect the Government to abuse its power and make their lives a living hell.[/i] Then they need to read more history books, because they should expect exactly that. The government WILL abuse its power, if given enough. This has been seen almost invariably throughout history. [i]Liberalism and Conservatism is a collection of economic and social ideas. Taxes, Gun Control, Social Programs, Medicare[/i] Yes, and the existance (or not) of those programs varies directly with how much power the government has over you. [i]Yes, it is the government's constitutional obligation to protect its citizens from threats, but why did this not include Aviation security?[/i] Because no one thought it necessary until now. Of course, to some degree, it depends on the wording of the bill, which I'm not quite clear on. Is the federal government OFFERING to take over airport security? Or are they taking it over, no ifs, ands, or buts? Not that I think anyone's complaining. [i]One of the Liberal Ideas here is the Canadian Human Rights Commission, which mediates disputes and allegations of racism, sexism, and other forms of discrimination which prevents the complainant's right to equal service.[/i] There is no right to equal service, because implementing such a right would require violation of the right to private property. Again, the government gains more power over your lives, the power to violate your supposedly inviolable rights if it sees fit. [i]Bigger government, right? Fine, I'll accept your argument there.[/i] Good. :) [i]But this is an example of how Liberalism is supposed to work.[/i] Violating the rights of one group (namely, anyone with property) in order to make another group happy? And you claim this as a GOOD thing? [i]The thing is, the CHRC and Medicare ARE NOT instruments of Authoritarianism.[/i] They can be turned into such with minimal effort. You have too much faith in the goodness of your politicians. We know better. :) [i]Omega, I'll tell you straight, if you present these ideas to ANY political science class in ANY university, I will tell you that you will fail miserably.[/i] We'll see about that next year. I'll tell you how it goes. [i]Finally, from Chris Holt's site, the definition of "Liberalism" was derived from "Libertarianism".[/i] Yeah, I just read about this one in a book on exegetical fallicies: what a word might have meant at one time may have nothing at all to do with what it means now. [i]Liberalism != Authoritarianism.[/i] Not what I'm saying. I'm saying: liberalism = larger, more powerful government -> authoritarianism Which part do you disagree with? [i]Stricter security at airports means you have to get to the airport hours in advance of flight, that you're limited in the number of bags you can take onto a flight, etc, etc. How that isn't "power over the people", only the twisted logic of Omega can say.[/i] Existing power that simply wasn't excersized. Unlike hotels and the other garbage you've claimed in the past, air flight DOES come under the aegis of interstate commerce. Thus, the federal government has, and always has had, the authority to pass laws regarding the operation and contents of airliners, and the authority to enforce such laws by whatever means it sees fit. [i]Right, I forgot, he's not even close to being anymore of a legitimate newsource than Entertainment Tonight is ... he's entertainment![/i] Entertainment that's more accurate than most school textbooks. That's some good entertainment. Find me a news source that's made FEWER mistakes, on average, than Limbaugh, and you might have a point. [i]"Feminism was established to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream."[/i] It was. Notice he's not saying that this was a bad thing. Rush, here, is commiting the cardinal sin of oversimplification. Consider: back when sexism was running rampant, whenever you want to say that that was, the attractive women could get what they wanted through the men. The attractively-impaired women, however, had more difficulty. Thus, they needed a collective voice to get into the "mainstream of society", ie men's jobs and positions. Something like a union. Feminism. Thus you can legitimately say that feminism was created to give unattractive women access to mainstream society, and be correct. [i]Rush Limbaugh has defended Klan rallys as freedom of assembly.[/i] Um... no. I think you mean that he's defended their RIGHT to freedom of assembly, which is totally different from defending them in general. "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." [i]Yet he denounces the Million Mom March as "the manipulation of the collective American mind"[/i] You got a more comprehensive quote on that? Further, a) there were only a tenth of that number involved in the march b) I do seem to recall that their propaganda was quite... eroneus, but I can recall no specific instances. More research is required. Stand by. Me: [/i]Again, give the government power, and it'll fix everything. Read a history book, man, 'cause that's been disproven time and again.[/i] Jay: [i]So, help me understand here, what is it you are trying to say?[/i] Simply that you should never give the government more power than it absolutely needs, because power almost invariably corrupts, especially over long periods of time. [i]And a clarification, should you want to refer the the Democratic Party, that would be a capitalized. That way we can avoid confusion when you talk about all democrats being liberal.[/i] Noted for future reference. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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