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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Omega: [QB] [i]Do you dispute the idea that the Military can be a symptom of Authoritarian Thinking?[/i] The military's existence? Certainly I dispute it. Certain ACTIONS by the military can be a symptom of authoritarian thinking. [i]If you want to refer to the idea of the HRC as a symptom of authoritarian thinking, fine. I will push to you the idea that the military is also a symptom of authoritarian thinking, and is more likely to be as such than the HRC which, compared to the military, has very little power.[/i] You don't seem to grasp the concept of a symptom. It means that it's an indicator that authoritarian thinking exists in the government. It doesn't need to have any power in and of itself. The more important symptom is the fact that the courts can actually punish someone for exercizing their innate rights to their property. [i]Okay, so you're protecting a populated area, but the killing of innocent people by the military is itself pretty damn authoritarian if you ask me[/i] So you're suggesting that the government SHOULDN'T have the power to kill innocent civilians if it's the only way to prevent more innocent civilians from dying? That's just basic law enforcement logic: in a no-win scenario, you save the most lives possible. Thus the government itself already has the authority to do things like that. It's just that the military is the only entity equipped to handle such a situation. [i]Amendments to the Constitution place restrictions on discrimination based on public accommodation even for private people.[/i] You want to give me a quote on that ammendment? [i]It has said, however, that in certain cases of public accommodation, that you can not.[/i] Well, then the court is wrong. Can you not grasp that concept? [i]Don't you need a permit to burn something or sell products, etc?[/i] In my fireplace? On eBay? Heck, no. [i]The HRC does not enforce decisions on you.[/i] What the HRC does doesn't matter. The courts have the power to interfere with your right to do with what you please with your property, no? [i]Even with a Conservative or Libertarian government, you have to fill out permits for many things.[/i] Mainly when you're dealing with things that affect other people, ie dumping chemicals in a river. Federal and state governments can't determine what I do with my property that doesn't affect others. Localities may be something else entirely, because they're not restricted by most parts of the federal Constitution, but that's a different topic. [i]You often claim the 10th to support your anti-federalist views. The 10th Amendment, as I'm sure we're all aware, says that any powers not delegated to the Federal Government are reserved to the states. The Elastic Clause however says that the government has the power to pass any laws necessary and proper for it to carry out its powers.[/i] The Elastic Clause allows the government to pass laws necessary to carry out its existing enumerated duties and powers, not to create entirely new powers. There is no conflict. [i]So I guess my question is, just how strictly DO You read the Constitution and the 10th Amendment?[/i] I read it exactly as it says: if the Constitution doesn't say the government can do it, the government can't do it. There's not much there to interpret. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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