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[QUOTE]Originally posted by The_Tom: [QB] [QUOTE]The Communists attempted to foment revolutions across the glome in numerous small countries. In a few cases they succeeded (Nicaragua, Vietnam), in other cases they failed.[/QUOTE] No, they didn't. In almost every single case, from Southeast Asia to Latin America, the revolutions were caused by nationalist groups that revolted in most cases against a wealthy ruling elite, never democratic and usually corrupt, an elite which drew its power from American business interests and ran an economy in which the vast majority of the population was incredibly disadvantaged. They were therefore labeled Marxists. So yeah, these rebels have a revolution going. They need arms. During the cold war, they could get them from one of two camps, the West or the Communist bloc (Angola being a notable exception where there was a third camp, South Africa, present). If the rebels were enemies of the interests of the West, as they usually were, that narrowed things down to who their choices for supporters could be. If the rebels were enemies of the interest of the Communist bloc, as they were in Afghanistan during the eighties, that narrowed things down to who their choices for supporters could be. And, the Cold War being the Cold War, the various camps were usually all-too-willing to contribute. Did that mean that the rebels and their sponsors were part of a masterplan together? Of course not. In many cases the rebels hated their sponsor's guts, the most obvious examples being Iraq and the Afghani Mujahideen. The North Vietnamese recieved piles of money from the Chinese, then promptly pissed them off to the point that they were [i]invaded[/i] by them, for heaven's sake. [QUOTE]As for 'conquest by war' you are totally missing the point. We're not talking about annexxing smaller countries to use as a buffer zone. We're talking about using the captured territory of the people who attacked FIRST.[/QUOTE] That's exactly what the Soviet Union did after WW2. And I thought we agreed that this was a bad thing. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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