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[QUOTE]Originally posted by The_Tom: [QB] But First, can't you see the tremendous illogic in differentiating between "fairly won" territory and "unfairly won territory?" To play devil's advocate here, realize that the boundaries agreed to in the Nazi-Soviet non-agression pact were to restore the old pre-WWI boundary between then-then Russian and German Empires. As far as Hitler and Stalin were concerned, Poland had been "unfairly" cut out of their repective nations. In their twisted heads, anyway, they were "only justly reclaiming what had been twisted out of them by that twit Woodrow Wilson." Poland aside, you fail to note that a good 50% of Germany's Pre-WW2 area was occupied by the USSR. (East Prussia and all of West Prussia and Pomerania east of the Oder.) Bringing this back to the Palestinean situation, you seem reluctant to make distinctions between Palestineans and Syrians and Jordanians and Egyptians labelling them all as "Arabs," and making this a fight between two sets of interests only. Wrong. The Soviet analogy stands. Israel (that is to say, the portion of the former British mandate of Palestine that was partitioned for Jews in the 49 UN plan) was invaded by the alliance of Arab states that surrounded the ex-mandate territory, crossing in some cases through the UN-administered portion of Palestine set aside for Palestineans. Israel won, thanks to American military support. Israel proceeded to occupy Jerusalem (not set aside for Jews in the 1949 plan) and about half of the Palestinean territories and embarked on a campaign of ethnic cleansing to clear all Arabs out of the conquered territories. What was left of the original Palestine mandate (about 25% of the total area) was occupied by Jordan (the West Bank) and Egypt (the Gaza strip). In subsequent wars in 1967 and 1976, the Israelis conquered the remainder of what had been the Palestine mandate and eventually, in the name of creating buffer space, occupied the Sinai (which had always been Egyptian) and Golan Heights (which had always been Syrian). The Israelis were at war with the Syrians, Jordanians and Egyptians. They weren't at war with the Palestineans because the Palestineans didn't have a state of their own and had no army. They ended up occupying the entirety of the internationally-designated portion of the Palestine mandate set aside for Palestineans. I think that "fairly won territory" is an oxymoron, but even by your disturbing definition, First, half of all Israeli territory was conquered. Hell, even the Soviets had the common decency to even allow the Poles and Czechs independent states in name, even though they were run by totalitarian puppet governments. The Israelis just swallowed up the lands of their weaker neighbors and called it Israel, then governed them at the whim of the Jewish citizenry. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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