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[QUOTE]Originally posted by First of Two: [QB] Methinks I know definitions of 'pain' you're unfamiliar with. So don't speak to me about pain. [QUOTE]"You get punished, and EVERYONE gets hurt in the process. So don't think it's just your life that'll get messed up if you screw up." [/QUOTE] Like I said again, that's STUPID. Stupid and childish of God to allow other, innocent people to suffer for someone else's mistakes. Stupid to punish the son for the iniquities of the father. That's what the people did to the big kid in 'Freak the Mighty.' An omnipotent being could have found a better way. [QUOTE]but as the natural way of things. God can not be in the presence of sin (Job being a screwy book that quite possibly shouldn't be there to begin with), and without God there is no life. Obeying God is the only way to avoid hell, and He set that up at massive cost to Himself. [/QUOTE] Horse puckey. God made the Serpent/Lucifer/Satan. And He made the rules, even the one about not being in the presence of Sin (and if God can't be in the presence of Sin, doesn't that necessarily make Sin more powerful than God?). He didn't HAVE to. Nobody put the Ultimate Nullifier to His head. And tough about Job. It's in, so you have to accept it at face value as equal with everything else in the book... or don't expect ME to accept ANY of it. [QUOTE] apparently you're the more pessimistic type. [/QUOTE] What's so pessimistic about not wanting people to suffer unnecessarily through no fault of their own, and saying that for them to do so is wrong? You say 'we all sinned,' but you KNOW that's crap, because babies and unborn children can't sin. Sin, according to you, is the negative use of free will.. and they don't HAVE it! [QUOTE]A) Humble guy: "I don't deserve life, and yet I have it anyway. Cool beans, no matter what happens to me." B) Proud guy: "I DESERVE life, with all the trimmings. If something bad happens to me, well, it must be GOD, treating me unfairly!" [/QUOTE] You forgot: C) Child: "I exist. That is not my fault, I didn't make me. What I do to myself with my own actions, that's my fault. What others do to me, or what happens to me that I didn't cause myself, is NOT. And I shouldn't have to stand for it." If you'd done nothing to me (and you haven't), and I came over to your house and whacked you over the head with a baseball bat, you'd have just cause to complain about my actions. If a child who has done nothing to God is 'whacked' with 'baseball bat' of the pain and suffering and ultimately slow and painful death from cystic fibrosis, he has just cause to complain about it, as well. And I'm so sick about hearing about God's 'sacrifice.' It's no sacrifice to send a bit of yourself to Earth to die, or even into Hell, if you know you're getting out in three days. Big fat hairy DEAL. Its a MUCH bigger risk (and therefore a much bigger sacrifice) for those of us who CHALLENGE, knowing that if we lose, we get to go there, in our entirety, FOREVER. There was never any danger of that, so God risked nothing. See, the thing about omniscience and omnipotence is that it means that God never plays games that He can lose. He either wins, or He throws the match. Same with the Human toys. Omnipotence means that if an idea can be conceived by any mind (and certainly by a human mind), God can accomplish it. That means that God is capable of saving EVERY soul without resorting to acts that would violate free will. Saying that God is constrained by 'rules' is to deny His power. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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