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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Omega: [QB] [i]An omnipotent being could have found a better way.[/i] He did. It's called "Don't eat the frelling fruit". Whoops! Too late. [i]if God can't be in the presence of Sin, doesn't that necessarily make Sin more powerful than God?[/i] No, it just means that God has an unchangable nature. Just like I can't breathe vacuum. [i]He made the rules, even the one about not being in the presence of Sin[/i] If God could be in the presence of sin, He wouldn't be Himself. There are things God won't do for any reason. [i]It's in, so you have to accept it at face value as equal with everything else in the book[/i] Book? What book? The Bible isn't a book. It's a compilation. You have to analyze EACH BOOK on its own. Job contradicts the rest, and is totally unrelated to the rest on top of it all, so why did the Catholics put it there to begin with? [i]You say 'we all sinned,' but you KNOW that's crap, because babies and unborn children can't sin.[/i] They're stuck in an unclean world. Yes, it's sad when a child dies, but a) they were alive for a time, which is a blessing in itself; b) their presence was a blessing to others; c) they have committed no sin, as you say, and thus likely get a get-into-heaven-FREE card. Think big picture, here. [i]What's so pessimistic about not wanting people to suffer unnecessarily through no fault of their own, and saying that for them to do so is wrong?[/i] Oh, that's not the negative part. The negative part is where you blame the God who gave them life to begin with, and gave them a chance at something better that they otherwise wouldn't have had. [i]If you'd done nothing to me (and you haven't), and I came over to your house and whacked you over the head with a baseball bat, you'd have just cause to complain about my actions.[/i] Yes, because you actively did that to me. [i]If a child who has done nothing to God is 'whacked' with 'baseball bat' of the pain and suffering and ultimately slow and painful death from cystic fibrosis, he has just cause to complain about it, as well.[/i] Complain about what? God did nothing to them. Neither did anyone else. The circumstances are what they are, and you can accept that and try to make them better, or you can try to find a scapegoat and waste your life whining about it. [i]And I'm so sick about hearing about God's 'sacrifice.' It's no sacrifice to send a bit of yourself to Earth to die, or even into Hell, if you know you're getting out in three days.[/i] Methinks God knows definitions of 'pain' you're unfamiliar with. You don't consider dying the most horrible death ever conceived a sacrifice? [i]Its a MUCH bigger risk (and therefore a much bigger sacrifice) for those of us who CHALLENGE, knowing that if we lose, we get to go there, in our entirety, FOREVER.[/i] Challenge what? God? That's not a risk, that's stupid, spiteful, and suicidal. OK, one more time A) You're screwed, by your nature and by the nature of the world you were born into. B) God undergoes the greatest possible trauma to save you. And you complain about what, again? [i]Omnipotence means that if an idea can be conceived by any mind (and certainly by a human mind), God can accomplish it.[/i] No, it means that He can do anything that CAN BE DONE. God can't make the sum of two and two be five. Even the omnipotent have limits, both of their nature and of their goals. Forcing us into worship would defeat the entire purpose of creating us, and being in the presence of sin would be by nature impossible. Think of it like this: you sin, and BY DEFINITION you are no longer in God's presence. He doesn't cast you out, you cast YOURSELF out. The very definition of being in God's presence is being without sin. Work better for you? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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