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[QUOTE]Originally posted by First of Two: [QB] OK, one more time [QUOTE] A) You're screwed, by your nature and by the nature of the world you were born into.[/QUOTE] I made neither my own nature nor the world's. God did. He set up ALL the entry and working conditions, including the 'fact' that one moment of stupidity and gullibility committed by two fruit-munching simpletons could doom an entire species -- yeah, THAT's fair and reasonable --, to eternal torment. I refuse to accept responsibility for things I did not create (which makes me the opposite of God, who refuses to accept responsibility for things he DID create. [QUOTE]B) God undergoes the greatest possible trauma to save you.[/QUOTE] Nope, not the greatest possible by a long shot. [QUOTE]And you complain about what, again?[/QUOTE] That it's all so unnecessary. He could have forgiven Adam and Eve, and put an end to it. He could have avoided teh situation entirely. But He didn't. He set us up. [QUOTE] No, it means that He can do anything that CAN BE DONE. God can't make the sum of two and two be five. [/QUOTE] The Bible is full of God doing things that can't be done. Your definition of 'can't' is meaningless. (Plus, there's always noneuclidean geometry.) [QUOTE]Even the omnipotent have limits, both of their nature and of their goals. Forcing us into worship would defeat the entire purpose of creating us, and being in the presence of sin would be by nature impossible.[/QUOTE] Defend this using scriptural quotes. It's a theory, and a flawed one. Lucifer can be in God's presence, and L's a sinner of the highest order, any way you look at it. If God couldn't be in the presence of Sin, He couldn't act in this universe at all, and the Deists would be right. [QUOTE]Think of it like this: you sin, and BY DEFINITION you are no longer in God's presence. He doesn't cast you out, you cast YOURSELF out. The very definition of being in God's presence is being without sin. Work better for you?[/QUOTE] Before I was born, and for a great deal of time afterwards. I didn't sin, as I was incapable of the act, OR the knowledge of what sin, obedience, good, evil, and God was. Therefore, BY DEFINITION (yours) I should have been constantly in God's presence, and He in mine. Yet this clearly wasn't so. So no, it doesn't work at all. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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