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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jay the Obscure: [QB] Yes Rob, it bugs the crud out of me when this bumbling administration considers trying anybody under the "guilty-by-association" rules of law. That's not due process, but due process isn't what Bush wants. It bothers me when people start going down the road of 'well we could do this cause it's what they are used to' or 'that's how they treat people.' We ain't them. Yet. Maybe that works for you so you can justify some of the things the present administration is doing or some of the things you want to do in you vengence. However, these individuals have been captured in the perma-war on terrorism. They are not on the field of battle, you have to follow rules. Further, on a basic civil / human rights level, you can't do those things because in that other thread we talked about the fact that we are supposed to believe that all people have a right to basic due process. We do believe in that still don't we? You know, in the days and weeks following the attacks in New York and Washington D.C. there was great deal of talk about if we changed the way we lived then the terrorists would have won. Well, an administration holding 200 some odd prisoners or war in what amount to dog-cages...holding them away from U.S. soil** so they have no legal redress to being held indefinitely in what amounts to be dog-cages...and that the same administration is "thinking" about some some of guilt-by-association military trial, well, then the terrorists won because that changes what America believes in in a fundamental way. You do this guilt-by-association military tribunal and these aren't going to be trials, they are going to be foregone conclusions. And that is what this bumbling administration wants. And if I'm an activist cause that bothers me, so be it. I wear that proudly. ** The government of the United States has defacto control over these persons and the letter of the law as to access into federal court may not be settled as long as their bodies are in Cuba, but the spirit of our laws, those is addressed by that life, libery ect. creed...that belief that all people are created equal and deserve due process...all that stuff we hold so dear means that what the bumbling administration is doing is wrong. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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