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[QUOTE]Originally posted by First of Two: [QB] [QUOTE]The brief additionally stipulates that the government may declare anyone at all to be an enemy combatant, without presenting any evidence whatsoever, regardless of whether they were captured in battle or anywhere else. [/QUOTE]Not EXACTLY what it says, more a third-hand interpretation of what it says. [QUOTE]The filing also asserts the government's right to declare a prisoner an enemy combatant whether that person was captured on the battlefield -- such as Hamdi and Lindh -- or anywhere else, such as Padilla. Writing that enemy combatants have no right to counsel, the Justice Department says: "That is true with respect to enemy combatants who are captured and detained on the battlefield in a foreign land; enemy combatants who are captured overseas and brought to the United States for detention . . . and enemy combatants who are captured and detained in this country." [/QUOTE]That's a closer, still-out-of-context quote. This 'brief' (which as I read it appears to be the ststement of the government's opinion, not a law or anything that's actually USEFUL,) has been applied to exactly three people so far. The shoebomber, the 'dirty nuke' guy, and Hamdi, who was captured in Afghanistan. Your slope is too slippery to stand on. [QUOTE]I didn't see the government grabbing white christians after Tim McVeigh blew up the Oklahoma Building. Didn't see Timmy lose his right to a lawyer. [/QUOTE]That man is made of straw, and you know it. 1. You can't show too many connections between the average white Christian and McVeigh. The individuals to whom this brief is being applied show, at the very least, a more-than-coincidental relationship to the enemy. Timmy was not part of an organized military. [QUOTE] Regardless of what Bushy and the media would have you believe, we're not fighting a war. Not in the traditional sense, certainly not in the legal sense. [/QUOTE]BZZZZZT! Yeah? Not according to Joseph Biden: from his own page: http://biden.senate.gov/~biden/press/release/01/10/2001A24C02.html M: (Inaudible) Talbot(?). Senator, thank you for this broad gauged approach to the problems we face. My question is this, do you foresee the need or the expectation of a Congressional declaration of war, which the Constitution calls for, and if so, against whom? (Scattered Laughter) JB: "The answer is yes, and we did it. I happen to be a professor of Constitutional law. I'm the guy that drafted the Use of Force proposal that we passed. It was in conflict between the President and the House. I was the guy who finally drafted what we did pass. Under the Constitution, there is simply no distinction ... Louis Fisher(?) and others can tell you, there is no distinction between a formal declaration of war, and an authorization of use of force. There is none for Constitutional purposes. None whatsoever. And we defined in that Use of Force Act that we passed, what ... against whom we were moving, and what authority was granted to the President." A Constitutional Scholar, AND a Democrat! Will wonders never cease? It's a WAR. Anyone who tells you otherwise is an ignorant fuckwit. [QUOTE]Any laws that give the government the power to strip people within the US of guarenteed rights is wrong. [/QUOTE]OOOH, did you open a can you'll never close with THAT one. Trust me, you'll never be a cop if that little statement gets out. Incidentally, the Constitution gives the President, and Congress, the right to do just that, under certain circumstances. Suspend habeas corpus, etc? Remember? Whup, better trash it. And it's good to know for sure that you've dropped ALL advocacy of gun control. Didn't you used to be one of the guys who said there were no such things as guaranteed rights, but only the rights one was "given" and that was why the Constitution was a 'living' document? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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