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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by PsyLiam: I'm going to have to quote the good Captain known as Michael here: "science has conclusively proven what happens when an object of indeterminate size blows up with an indeterminate and unknown type of energy at an unknown distance from a moon of indeterminate size, and has an effect on a certain area which may or may not be completely populated and may or may not have been in orbit of something else and could quite possibly have been facing it, or not"[/QUOTE]I might as well pitch in with my own two cents... I've generally avoided SD.net after learning about what it and its members basically stood for, but I did read some of their stuff out of morbid curiosity. I try to remember that everyone's entitled to an opinion, but frankly their rabid insistence that "Trek sux, Wars rulez" offends me. First off, these are two separate works of fiction, which were never intended to coexist in the same universe. (The settings, not the shows themselves.) There is absolutely no point in coming up with arguments about whether a Star Destroyer can blow the shit out of the Enterprise. It's worse than useless knowledge; it completely destroys the fact that these are stories that are supposed to be enjoyed. Furthermore, the attitudes and the length to which these guys go to "prove" their assertions -- not to mention the methods they use -- are quite disturbing. Anyone who tries to argue on their terms (that is, Trek is technologically more powerful than Wars) is immediately attacked as a whining fanboy with zero intelligence and an inability to see the "obvious." Now, on the flip side, I will admit to generally enjoying two works of fan fiction that are published over there where the Federation gets its ass kicked. I enjoy the story not for the thrill of seeing the Empire beat up a supposedly inferior Federation, but for the interactions between characters that would never "really" meet. IDIC -- Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations. To return to my argument about the attitudes that are prevalent over there, I'm going to present a perfect example: an excerpt from one of the pieces of fanfic that I mentioned above. [QUOTE][i]Scene: Battle in Earth orbit.[/i] The heavy turbolasers lanced out and the mighty emerald beams slashed through the starbase like scythes, tearing it into pieces, punching through the armored hull like paper. Explosions, hot plasma and debris tore through the deep gashes in the starbase. The weapons fire faltered and suddenly died as a massive explosion tore through the heart of the base, the great spinning top portion suddenly came loose, spinning away into the darkness trailing molten metal and hot gasses. The lower portion exploded like a roman candle, the very lowest stabilizing rod rocketed downward, driven by the force of the violent matter/antimatter reaction like nail into Earth�s atmosphere. The massive chunk of debris trailed through the atmosphere like a flaming arrow and descended into the clouds. ~~~~~ scenes cut ~~~~~ “Scooter, what do you see?” Robert Scott Anderson, Scooter to his buddies, was staring out the window of his apartment across the bay, watching the deadly confrontation with a joyful expression. “You should see this Timmy, they’re letting the Empire cross their lines of defense so that they can spring the trap on them. Once Starfleet has them where they want them, they’ll bitch slap them back to where ever it is that they come from. I mean come on, who are they to think they can conquer the Federation with LASERS?!” he answered derisively. “How’s the space battle going?” “Well, according to the latest reports, the fleet is getting hammered.” Timothy Jones chuckled. “You have to love Starfleet intelligence, this disinformation campaign is really working. By making the Empire think that they’re destroying our fleet it lulls them into a false sense of security.” Jones replied with a braying laugh as he munched on some Doritos and stared at the holovision. “To think, that asshole Wong said we should evacuate before the battle started.” “What an ass, and give up these primo seats for Starfleet’s impending victory?” Scooter replied haughtily. “Hey after this is over, maybe they’ll finally accept my application to the academy.” Scooter wondered aloud as he glanced back at his best friend. “Why not, they’ve only rejected you twice before, you know what they say, three times the charm.” Jones replied holding up a can of Soda to toast his buddy. A low whistling sound slowly grew in volume. “What the hell is that?” Jones asked. “Maybe it’s the Starfleet smack down about to go into effect.” Scooter replied with a gleam in his eyes and quickly glanced out the window again. The whistling was definitely getting louder and now the building was shaking. “What the hell?!” Scooter slowly looked up and his eyes bulged as he saw the great fireball descending down on them. He turned to his friend, tears in his eyes. “Timmy?” “What?” “Hold me.” Scooter begged. The stabilizing rod from Starbase One plunged right through the tenement house and impacted into the earth in a multi megaton blast of fire and smoke. The blast leveled most of down town San Francisco. [URL=http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=404&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=225]SOURCE[/URL][/QUOTE]The problem isn't necessarily that Mr. Wong is a fascist jerk himself -- as a purely theoretical exercise, I could perfectly understand the analysis of Star Wars technology and comparing the THEORIES to those same THEORIES from Star Trek. However, his entire site has gone much, much farther than that. Indeed, the passage quoted above was written explicitly for the purpose of making fun of pro-Trek visitors to that message board -- and the author himself admits this on the next page. And on top of that, Mr. Wong seems to go out of his way to ensure that HIS views are hailed as the unassailable truth of science fiction -- and (perhaps illegally, certainly immorally) posts private e-mail discussions that are nothing more than flame wars as "proof" that Trek fans as a whole are fools for trying to support their show over Wars. I can sum it up in just one phrase: "Can't we all just get along?" [/QB][/QUOTE]
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