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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Guardian 2000: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Bernd: [qb]Darkstar, I don't want to tell you not to go the SD Forum any longer,[/qb][/QUOTE]That isn't a matter of choice. I was banned after he challenged me to a debate and I suggested it be a rational, flame-free one. He'd already stated his belief that the challenged party set the terms, but he found those terms unacceptable. I tried to use his ego against him and goad him into accepting based on my terms and his own stated beliefs, but he chose to ban me instead over feigned offense at my goading efforts. We are presently engaged in a debate . . . he chased me down after the ban, trying to backpedal and accept the rational discussion condition. However, he would only do so on the grounds that he got full control of the evidence and its interpretation. I declined. So, he started debating without me. Unwilling to let my arguments come under attack without defense, I've engaged him. I'll let ya know how it goes. [QUOTE]especially not since you like to fight a battle when you're outnumbered.[/QUOTE]No, that's what they say. Never believe what they say about me. The reason I'm not bothered by being outnumbered is that such a maneuver is the best way to see how my arguments stand. It's a trial by fire . . . and sure, there's a lot of trial by flame, but when I deliver the argument right there in the lion's den, I get to see how it stands up. In the midst of the flames and the fallacies, there's occasionally a decent counter-argument, or a decent remark showing where I need to be more clear. That's why I posted at Wong's own forum (and the alt.startrek.vs.starwars anti-Trek support group) so often. It wasn't some odd quest for glory or craving for attention. It's the best trial by fire I can think of for my position. (And actually, I'm probably about to stop posting for a little while, since there's absolutely no focus on the arguments at this point . . . they're all just talking about me and how much they wish I was dead.) Granted, there's something attractive about going straight into the lion's den and blasting at it from within while hopelessly outnumbered. It's such a popular idea that it figured into three of the Star Wars movies. But that's not the point of why I argue. [QUOTE]You would certainly have the moral victory to any unbiased observer (only that no unbiased person could stand reading that for only one minute)[/QUOTE] :) There are a few people who engage in it or simply read it with the same mind-set that I do. I'm not trying to be the Wong for Trek. That would be disgusting, and I would have to shower frequently to get the mentally-dirty feeling to go away. What I try to do is provide a fair analysis of both sides. Sure, I have an opinion, and I make it clear, but I don't hide, ignore, or try to rationalize away evidence which doesn't suit me. I try to address it all, and dispel the myths and rumors produced by the horrendous bias others have displayed. [QUOTE]but you may become more like the people over there the longer you are trying to disprove them. [/QUOTE]Indeed, there's something to be said for that. I've noticed the behavior of several of the formerly-reasonable ASVS opponents change over the past couple of years, becoming more and more Wong-like. I know I've become more likely to respond in kind when personally attacked or flamed. But, I'd like to think I've maintained the use of reasoning faculties that are evidently so easy to lose in such a debate. I'm more than happy to receive constructive criticism. Let me know if there's anything you see that appears dastardly or Wongian on my site, either by e-mail or by site feedback: http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~randers2/STSWhi.html Thanks! [/QB][/QUOTE]
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