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[QUOTE]Originally posted by First of Two: [QB] HM. He makes an interesting case, on the front of it. However, I remain incredulous at the idea that this conspiracy could have survived [URL=http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/liberty2.html]TWELVE[/URL] separate inquiries intact. Like I said, I'm not paranoid enough. I know that all these pages are part of the Vast Zionist Conspiracy (TM), but I thought I'd post them anyway: [URL=http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/liberty.html]The Liberty[/URL] [URL=http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/liberty1.html]Liberty 2[/URL] [URL=http://world.std.com/~camera/docs/alert/hchannel.html]Another heard from[/URL] [QUOTE]James Ennes, one of the leading conspiracy proponents among the former Liberty crewmen, who was interviewed extensively by the History Channel, has made extreme statements that border on the anti-semitic in e-mail discussions on Prodigy. For example, in a message dated June 8, 1992 referring to Israeli Jews, Mr. Ennes stated: ... Consider their dilemma: For generations they wanted their own country as a haven from racists. Finally they got it. Gradually they learned that their �leaders� obtained the new country by murdering and frightening away the original owners. Gradually they learned that the new leaders were actually the worst kind of self- centered, amoralistic murderers - worse than the people they sought to flee from. This was too much of a moral dilemma for many of them. Some drew silent. Others turned against the people who betrayed them and now led their new country. Others pretended that all was well and that the new country was surrounded by extremists and that this condition justified every kind of brutal excess.[sic] And over the years they have instilled this narrow view in their children who now accept it as religious dogma. It is a very sad situation indeed. Of course, the people that Jews fled from were first and foremost the Nazis, so Mr. Ennes is saying that Israel�s leaders are �amoralistic murderers� who are �worse� than the Nazis. In another message dated July 22, 1992, Mr. Ennes stated: ... the fact is Israel would have no enemies if they did not constantly raid their neighbors, steal their land, take their water and kill their children. [/QUOTE]This is your source?? [URL=http://www.aish.com/societywork/arts/Return_of_the_USS_Liberty.asp]Return of the USS Liberty[/URL] [URL=http://www.jewishpublicaffairs.org/community_relations/newsanalysis/USSLiberty-8-13-01.html]Response to History Channel[/URL] [QUOTE]Ennes states Israeli offers of help are baloney. The program fails to mention that Ennes at the time was wounded and below decks on the Liberty and that the commanding officer, Commander McGonagle, who was commanding the ship from the bridge, read into the record a chronology of events, which he prepared with consultation with the crew: 1503 One MTB returned to ship and signaled (�Do you need help� in English C.O. signaled �Negative�. (U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry, Testimony of Commander McGonagle, P. 131) And the Liberty�s log of Thursday, 8 June 1967, reflects: 1503 One MTB returned to ship and signaled [sic], �Do you need help.� Commanding officer directed that, �Negative� be sent in reply. [/QUOTE]Going against your own CO... that's something. [QUOTE]Ennes further claims no one in the Court of Inquiry talked to the crew about what happened. The program neglects to report that the following crew members were called by the Court of Inquiry and testified for the number of pages indicated (In fact, of the 19 witnesses called by the Court, 14 were Liberty crew members.): Page No. Ensign D.G. Lucas, USNR, First Lieutenant & Gunnery Officer 12 USS Liberty (AGTR-5) CDR W.L. McGonagle, USN, Commanding Officer, USS Liberty 31 (AGTR-5) LTJG L.C. Painter, USNR, Officer of the Deck, USS Liberty (AGTR-5) 55 Ensign J.D. Scott, USNR, Manager Control Assistant, USS Liberty 59 (AGTR-5) LT G.H. Golden, USN, Engineering Officer, US Liberty (AGTR-5) 63 Page No. Ensign M.P. O�Malley, USN, Assistant Operations Officer, USS Liberty 68 (AGTR-5) LTJG M. M. Watson, USNR, Main Propulsion Assistant, USS Liberty 72 (AGTR-5) LT R.F. Kiepefer, USNR (MC), Medical Officer, USS Liberty (AGTR-5) 74 CTC H.J. Thompson, USN USS Liberty (AGTR-5) 87 CTC C.F. Lamkin, USN, Repair Party Three, USS Liberty (AGTR-5) 91 RMC W.L. Smith, USN, Radio Central, USS Liberty (AGTR-5) 94 CT2 J.P. Carpenter, USN, Communications Division, USS Liberty105 (AGTR-5) LT. M.H. Bennet, USN, USS Liberty (AGTR-5) 114 CT2 T.L. Long, USN, Communications Division, USS Liberty (AGTR-5)117 CDR W.L. McGonagle, USN, Commanding Officer, USS Liberty 124(AGTR-5) [/QUOTE]Going against your own mates, that's something else entirely. If I didn't know better, I'd think that this was a modern-warfare version of the [URL=http://www.snopes.com/religion/blood.htm]blood libel.[/URL] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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