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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Balaam Xumucane: [QB] Look we're not getting anywhere with this. Veers, I don't think (and I may be wrong on this) that any of us are saying that religion is awful and we'd all be better off without it. I think what we're saying is that fundamentalism and political evangelism have historically been perverted by those in power to less than altruistic goals with litterally catastrophic results. As you very rightly point out, the same has been done with atheism. I and I think several others of different denominations/non-believers, feel that religion and spirituality are an entirely personal affaire, and that so long as your religion is not hurting anyone what does it matter what an individual believes. I'm not saying religions should not recruit, that's how they get new ideas and grow and evolve, etc. I think what people are saying is that this tendency to make generalizations about entire groups of people based solely on their belief structure (or lack thereof) has resulted in hugely violent and vitriolic centuries of human history. Wherein said vain and horrible violence would seem to run counter to the central principles of pretty much every major organized religion. And but so when the Pope decrees that homosexual marriage is a bad thing (look at that, there's the topic) and that homosexuals are an abomination, I don't care. I don't subscribe to his religion. I don't agree with him in the slightest bit, and I think he's very wrong to use his position of power to make this kind of blanket statement (well, as Cartmaniac has pointed out he probably doesn't realize what he is saying anymore, but his office, the office of the papacy). But it's his religion and unfortunately he didn't (and really, I wouldn't have expected him to) issue this Bull (irony? nah) with a statement saying "Look, the homos are dirty wretched creatures who are yucky and also pass disease (like it says here in this very old book), but seriously dudes, that doesn't mean you should tie them to the bumper of your truck and drag them to death, or beat the living fuck out of them at a party because you thought they were hitting on you or anything. Be confident that you are living a righteous life here upon the earth completely secure in your conventional and church-sanctioned heterosexuality and we'll see who's laughing at the pearly gates (i.e. not those dirty, dirty Soddomites)..." Or something. And as a final thought, a deceptively wise atheist friend of mine once quipped: "Religious conflict is more or less a bunch of disturbingly zealous people arguing back and forth about who's invisible man in the sky is taller." [/QB][/QUOTE]
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