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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mucus: [QB] Wow, its like Slashdot in here. 1. Veers makes absurd assumptions about what the world would be like without God and the Bible 2. Mucus mocks the argument by showing how absurd that argument is, by reversing it and applying it to how the world would be without scientific advancement. Also see: irony, dramatic 3. Omega points out that the reversed argument is in fact, absurd as planned. 4. ??? 5. Profit!!! But seriously, Balaam Xumucane is pointing out a critical point. [QUOTE] I think what we're saying is that fundamentalism and political evangelism have historically been perverted by those in power to less than altruistic goals with litterally catastrophic results. As you very rightly point out, the same has been done with atheism. [/QUOTE]However, I would like to add an additional point to this. Yes, both runaway atheism and theism is dangerous. Both can be perverted and abused. (Which is probably why I'm agnostic, the ultimate fence-sitter) However, I would argue that the very structure of religion makes it more susceptible to abuse, as the Catholic Church is demonstrating very aptly. In fact, that very informative article Omega linked to explains this very notion. [QUOTE] Author Doug Krueger notes that "so many Germans were religious believers that Hitler, if not religious himself, at least had to pretend to be a believer in order to gain support." He adds, "If the [Christian] message won converts, it would seem that most Nazis were probably [Christians] too. After all, would appeal to divine mandate win more theists or atheists to the cause?" He also points out that "Even if Hitler was not a [Christian], he could still have been a theist. Or a deist"...Remember that being a non-Christian is not equal to being an atheist. [/QUOTE]And in the end, as the article points out, it really doesn't matter what he personally thought. What matters is that it is a very good form of control, since it is so very easy to pervert, and so very difficult to speak out against. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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