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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jay the Obscure: [QB] Oh, there's just too much and I don't want to sit at the keyboard for 2 hours typing a response to it all. So, as much as I would prefer to write long, artful paragraphs full of intricate arguments to rebut various thing, I'm going with the old Omega Pull-Quote argumentation technique. [QUOTE]But the reason I don't think Bush has been delinquent on Iran is that we would never have been able to fight both Iraq and Iran at the same time.[/QUOTE]So, here we have two countries on the verge of becoming nuclear powers and I don�t see the Administration doing all that much diplomatically as regards either one. Sort of makes our preemptive invasion of Iraq and our resulting overextended military even more problematic doesn�t it. [QUOTE]I fail to see why we must address whatever econo-political problems yielded Islamofascism first.[/QUOTE]That one nearly made my eyes bug out. You have no reason to present the situation as an either/or argument. We must, absolutely must, deal with social, cultural, economic and political issues in the Muslim world...or do what we can to help them deal with the situation and change it for the better. If, to boil it down to a simplistic point, young men are trained at Madrasas to hate the West and all that we stand for you can: A) Try to kill them all when they 'graduate' which will pretty much land you in a perpetual state of violence.... B) Try to help the young men find other means to educate themselves and encourage states to democratize through diplomatic and economic means.... Or... C)Kill terrorists when they pop up AND actively work to help countries modernize and democratize. I don't see Mr. Bush doing much of the second. [QUOTE]Granted, some will think some forms will be more effective than others, but saying we have to look to underlying causes first has never been a winning strategy in any war.[/QUOTE]We're not at war Honduras here, so the nation/state warfare scheme doesn't seem to apply in total. This is an conflict deeply rooted in ideology and the United States and Great Britian can't destroy all of Islam. So while it is important to be guarded and use military force when necessary, you have to find the roots of the ideology as quick as possible and find ways to deal with that. They are massively out-gunned and they know it, so if you have to ask yourself at some point, hopefully early in the process, why they keep coming and getting killed. [QUOTE]No effective president does policy.[/QUOTE]Well, I'd challenge that just on it's face. Washington, Lincoln, TR, FDR, Truman, LBJ, all did policy. And they were all, in their own way, effective. I can't think of a president of the last half century so unable to communicate his Administration's policy and so seemingly uninterested in finding out what it should be. If Mr. Bush is the CEO president he touts himself as, then he's certainly of the new breed, which apparently counts former Halliburton CEO Dick Cheney as a member. These are CEO's who are unaware of the corporate direction and when presented with malfeasance from subordinates, they disclaim all responsibility due to lack of knowledge. Mr. Bush seems to me to be quite a bad CEO. I, for one, have no problem wanting more from a president. [QUOTE]They provide the basic direction they want and tell their subordinates to implement it. Bush has his priorities set. He has chosen the people he wants to make his vision happen.[/QUOTE]That, to my way of thinking, given the incoherent foreign and domestic policy of this Administration, is an excellent reason not to vote for Mr. Bush. [QUOTE]Economic health is not merely a measure of jobs.[/QUOTE]Since I don't presently have one, and I'm looking, and I'm not finding one, it sure means a great deal to me. Then again, I've seen quite a few Ferrari's lately, so someone's doing well. [QUOTE]Corporate fraud is not something that really could have been prevented by Bush.[/QUOTE]I lay the deregulatory climate and the stepping away of government oversight squarely at the feet of Republicans just like Mr. Bush. [QUOTE]Not all reasons for the war were based on false premises.[/QUOTE]Yes, I remember, was it in the 2002 State of the Union or the 2003, that he justified the preemptive invasion of Iraq on the grounds we needed to promote democracy in the Middle East? The Administration certainly came up with post-invasion reasons to justify what we did...and some of them are perfectly right and good. Saddam Hussein was indeed a bad man. The women of Afghanistan did need our assistance. But it Mr. Bush purposfully avoided public debate on those issues prior to the invasion and chose instead more disingenious arguments. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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