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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Balaam Xumucane: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Ritten: [qb] Okay..... JOHN GLENN (not ON THE SENATE FLOOR) ~30 years before Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13 [/qb][/QUOTE]Well, actually it was May, 3, 1974. I mean if one was even remotely concerned about accurately reflecting the facts. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Ritten: [qb] Okay Some people still don't understand why military personnel do what they do for a living. .... What about you?" [/qb][/QUOTE]And so this whole thing is a straw man fallacy. I ask you what is the relevancy of one remarkably foolhardy statement made by a senatorial candidate in a [i]Democratic[/i] Primary in Ohio 30 years ago? (As an aside does knowing that Glenn was running as a Democrat in a Democratic Primary in any way affect your opinion of the story? Should it?) Don't get me wrong, it's a very persuasively written and stirring speech, invoking thoughts of service and sacrifice for liberty and land. It's just that precisely the problem that so many of us have with this conflict is that we DO understand and appreciate the lives of our professional military personnel. My grandfather had half his intestines shot out in the Ardennes by a 14-year-old Czechoslovokian Nazi recruit. He survived to have my father and remarkably remains alive today thanks in no small part to the medical care he received after the war and his participation in various VFW (also he's a stubborn old bastard who still splits his own firewood at 82). My uncle is a veteran of this very Iraqi war. I am very proud of their service, and also intensely conscious of how valuable their lives and that service has been. And so my problem with this conflict is not that I don't respect the military, rather that I do. And I'd hate to have the implicit trust for their leadership that these brave men and women who put their lives on the line [URL=http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=56488]be misplaced[/URL]. And in the views of both my grandfather and my uncle, [URL=http://www.politicsnh.com/press_releases/2005/Nov/11_7dccc.htm]it has been[/URL]. Both have been active (my uncle VERY active) in veterans groups since their service, and what they are seeing is an utter [URL=http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/TheExecutive/111005_veteran.html]lack of respect[/URL] for our service people when they return. I was going to go into the fallacies in the other 'arguments', but I don't actually have that much time and others are doing a capable job. I just wanted to call attention to the fact that Metzenbaum's question, a) does not reflect my views, nor the views of any democrats that I know of, and b) has been distorted and misassociated with the deliberate intent of manipulating well-intentioned right-leaning folks into thinking that left-leaning folks do not honor or respect our veterans. Which we do. Again: we do. Like veterans. And professional military. So, do you still imagine that Metzenbaum's (foolish albeit misconstrued and taken-out-of-context) statements of 30 years ago in some way reflect the opinion of some majority of leftist thinking here, today in 2005? Because I'm here to tell you that they do not. And I'm here to tell you that John Glenn is an American hero. And that the lives of such heros should never be squandered. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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