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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by WizArtist II: [qb] What would the situation be in Iraq if Bush I had continued on to Bagdad with all the little coalition behind him and taken Saddam out during Gulf War I? Would it have stopped 9/11? [/qb][/QUOTE]Would it have prevented 9/11? Only if the entire coalition stayed to rebuild Iraq as a democracy and we kept the muslim allies we had back then. Probably not though- Afghanistan is the real wellspring of the 9/11 attack (and our pals in Saudi Arabia, of course). It might have been nice if Clinton's administration had retaliated for the [i]U.S.S. Cole[/i] bombing or had just extridited Bin Laden back when the saudis wanted to dump him on us. Or if Bush's administration had retaliated for the [i]U.S.S. Cole[/i] bombing....captured Al Queida operatives have said that the lack of response was the final "go ahead" for 9/11. They thought they'd get off without any consequences- again. But it's all speculation and not terribly useful in today's situation. We [i]still[/i] need to do almost all the stuff we set out to do at the start of the "War on Terror"- : Eliminate all Taliban/terrorists from Afghanistan. Capture/Kill Bin Laden. Cripple/ eliminate Al Queida. Create/Maintan real allies in the arab world to prevent future terrorist attacks... that one is debatable- a lot of good has reportedly been done against terrorists, but weither it's because of the US's actions or just desperation to defend themselves after the US put them on a moral defensive is for history to decide. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Toadkiller: [qb] Fusion power. If we had spent the money we had spent of Iraq in solving our actual national vulnerability - total dependance on foreign power - we'd be better off. We've spent billions of dollars, for that money we could have well funded any of several permanent energy solutions. As it is we're funding the Saudi's who take their cut and pass the rest to "the terrorists". Either that or take the traditional British tack. Seize and "colonize" the Saudi fields. No insurgents, because we remove the population. THEN fund the permanent alternative energy programs. [/qb][/QUOTE]Colonization is no answer- never worked back then, sure wont now. Just look at all the wonderful, enlightened -former colony- countries. As to hitting the Saudis in their pocketbook (and thus showing the world it's not all about the oil), by reducing speed limits from 70mph to 55 on national highways and from 65mph to 50mph on local turnpikes/expressways an estimated 17% would be saved in expended fuel (on adverage cars- not shit like the Humvee). Add to that, government required mileage of 35 miles per gallon for new cars/trucks and an estimated 10-15% would be saved. So: lose the sportscars and SUV's, drive a bit slower and grow the fuck up a bit and not only will our dependence on foreign scumbags diminish, but so will gas/oil prices. Just for kicks- tell the airline industry it wont get it's yearly bailout if they cant go with jets that are even [i]slightly[/i] more fuel efficent....even 1% more would yield a savings of millions of barrells of oil annualy. Not that you'll find a Republican voting for anything like common sense- they have their oil lobbiests to worry about. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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