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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: [QB] Who sets that International law you all are talking about? The UN? They've signed off on how many conflicts exactly? While I completely agree that the case for war was misrepresented as solid (by Bush's inner circle [i]only[/i]-many in Congress voted on War with the same faulty info as the masses) it's certainly not definite that they rigged the evidence (as opposed to only focusing on whatever they wanted to see). One is willful stupidity- the other a crime (in US courts- punishible with impeachment). There have been dozens of wars with no UN approval- I think the only actual times they signed off on a war were the Falklands and first war with Iraq- and if it's an official "crime" to go to war, it's nothing anyone has ever been charged with (including Saddam Hussein). Invading another country, while certainly not right or moral, is by definition [b]not[/b] "terrorism"- the author is only usuing that word to provoke a knee-jerk response. Terrorism is targeting a group of non-combatants to instill fear as a means to accomplish a goal (usually to get attention for whatever cause). Invading a country after affter a month's untimatum, and then invading while taking extreme measures to prevent civillian casualties...it's not terrorism. Not in any way. It was an extremely effective military invasion of an enemy country (warranted or not) and it's become a poorly organized occupation. But it's [i]not[/i] terrorism in any way. [QUOTE]Seymour Hersh claims that among the evidence shown to Congress in regards to Abu Ghraib are several videos of children being tortured. Of course, he hasn't included those specific claims in his New Yorker articles, and the New Yorker has a reputation for having an intensely rigorous fact-checking regime. [/QUOTE]I've not heard anything about that- not from Amnesty International who supposedly have all the photos gathered forr safekeeping (dont nayone to "misplace" evidence, right?). Again guys, I'm not defending BusCo's policies, only taking apart what is an obviously impassioned speach with several errors in it- one that completely leaves out the good that's been done in Iraq. Particularly bad is the nonsense about "The 2,000 American dead are an embarrassment. They are transported to their graves in the dark." Saying crap like that only undermines the good points to his speach and lets the Right -and mainstream for that matter- dismiss him as not knowing what he's talking about. iF he really wants people to pay attention, he needs to write something that sounds less like an ad for Moveon.org. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Nim: [qb] I agree, Balaam. This reminds me of quoted exchanges between politicians in the 1800's, fists slamming on tables and papers thrown everywhere. [/qb][/QUOTE]Er...you mean the wildly corrupt 1800's? the good 'ol days of colonialism, invasions for land gain and "manifest Destiny" justifications for wiping out entire cultures? ;) [/QB][/QUOTE]
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