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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Guardian 2000: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Guardian 2000: [qb] 1. Captured terrorists are not war prisoners. [/qb][/QUOTE]Bush has said literally [i]hundreds[/i] of times that we are AT WAR.[/QUOTE]No word games, please. You know as well as I do that does not make the prisoners we take "prisoners of war" in the legal sense of Geneva any more than Vietnam or Iraq were wars in the legal sense of the Constitution. [QUOTE]If prisoners caputred during a war are not war prisoners, what are they?[/QUOTE]"Unlawful enemy combatants" . . . you used the term yourself. [QUOTE]If they are not prisoners of war- and entitled to certain rights under Military Code of Justice (as affirmed by the Supreme Court last year) then the Gitmo prison is, by definition, a Gulag: [b]any prison or detention camp, esp. for political prisoners[/b].[/QUOTE]There you go with more word games. "Gulag" conjures up connotations of harsh Soviet torture-chambers of the last century . . . you seek to equate Gitmo to that connotation by appealing to a denotation. By that denotation, your local jail is a gulag. Kinda loses the emotional oomph you wanted your "by definition" claim to have, doesn't it? [QUOTE]And if you're one of the people that believe the hysteria about the "dangers" of incarcerating such terrorists on US soil,[/QUOTE]I don't really buy into that argument. I don't care if we store them here . . . despite their best wishes, they are not explosive . . . but I simply don't think they deserve the tender loving care of the American legal system. (As someone joked, making them go through our court system is cruel and unusual punishment . . . torture by any reasonable definition.) To someone else, you said some stuff I want to respond to: [QUOTE]In a nut shell, you've put yourself in with Rush Limbaugh in hoping the President Of The United States "fails". That means you hope he fails at stopping the two wars that get American servicemen killed every day.[/QUOTE]No, it means we hope he fails at screwing up the war on terror's successes, producing more damage and lost lives down the line. Thanks to Bush's actions, the price of peace in Iraq should be lower than it has been in awhile, so perhaps Obama's efforts will meet with success. But the problem was that Obama wanted to do the same thing even when the price was high. His opinion did not change in keeping with the facts on the ground. That's scary. [QUOTE]That he fails in getting the nation out of the worst recession of our lifetimes.[/QUOTE]The issue here is that the recession is a Democrat socialist creation, and the bailouts are being managed by Democrat socialists. Given that Obama wants to double down on the socialism angle . . . spending our way out of this while nationalizing various sectors of the economy . . . you're damn right I want him to fail, because if he succeeds we're not America anymore, the recession will have lasted far longer than it should, and the road back to economic freedom will be much longer and harder than it needs to be. [QUOTE]That he fails to restore America's prestige and respectability.[/QUOTE]It's only damaged to the world's leftists and our enemies. Much of Europe's recent leadership changes have been in a rightward direction (for them). Do the math. [QUOTE]It's saying you hope our country fails, for no other reason than that President Obama is a Democrat and you root for the other team blindly.[/QUOTE]You just stole the classic conservative line about American leftists. Funny thing is, you just declared Obama's wishes to be America, basically. Thing is, at least conservatives have the founders and history on our side to determine what America is. We haven't always lived up to our ideals, but classical liberals (i.e. Founding Fathers, once . . . called conservatives, now) have never had much doubt. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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