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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Balaam Xumucane: [QB] [list] Quote: ...However, poke through the surface, and I think you find that the movie is based on a hollow premise.... [/list] That little vein in my forehead is standing out and it's twitching my eye. Ok, not really. Dude, RawCadet. Back this up. I dare you. Think about it for a minute. You are talking about a surface. A surface like the themes of Sacrifice, Courage, Fate, Vengeance, Obsolescence and Pride. You've got it backwards, chi. "Hollow premise"? Perhaps you mean that the make-believe spaceman's make-believe mortal foe's make-believe planet couldn't have blown up like that. Or perhaps, that said make-believe foe would be able to survive. It's a pretext. That's the surface here. I'm sorry for jumping down your throat, Raw Cadet. There are plenty of flaws in the film to go around. It's just that the film has so much that is so good in it. Not just the age thing, but the Mother and Son dynamic, the Father and Son dynamic. The Teacher and Student. Men, women. Human, alien. Monster, man. You have the Biblical forces of creation and in the very same moment: destruction. The Epic struggles with vengeance, justice, pride, pain, abandonment and power. Life vs. Death. Horror vs. beauty. Levity vs. gravitas. That's not even mentioning the self-sacrifice of a truly heroic icon, not for glory, not out of obligation, but simply beacuse it was the logical thing to do. That's amazing. It's all in there. And it's SO good. I'm trying real hard not to lauch into a diatribe on each of these (though trust me I could). But there's so many things that the other films have never even come close to touching. (That chilling, haunting and empty "No." Shatner falteringly delivers at Spock's death is so evocative it must certainly be his finest Trek performance.) So there are things which may defy easy explanation (ie. How does Khan remember Chekov when Chekov wasn't even in the 'Space Seed' Episode?) but I am SO much more willing to make excuses for these things than I am to make excuses for bad writing. If you are going bag on my favorite movie, I want to make sure you are being critical for the right reasons. So far, you seem to be making vague arguments that Khan could be swapped out for another villian so as to smooth out some rough spots in the back-story (and we keep all the aging and stuff in there.) I obviously feel otherwise. So far you haven't really said much to convice me a) Why this would be a good idea b) How it could be done without lessening the impact of the film. [list] Quote: No, for a "truly" great movie would avoid the plot problems, yet still convey the great story. [/list] Please name some. What's your favorite? Why is it your favorite? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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