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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Middy Seafort: [QB] Hello, all. I'm glad to see that the discussion I hoped would result from my first post has taken off. By the numbers, gents. [QUOTE] Originally posted by AndrewR: "The New Star Trek" - but you wanted closely linked story arcs. It wouldn't have been Star Trek then - or a 24th century of TOS. TOS had less continuity than TNG. and I DON'T mean ARCs when I say continuity - I hate how that word has been perverted. [/QUOTE]While the word arc has been thrown around and mentioned, I was pondering just an ongoing, developing storyline that folded over the course of serveral episodes like "Hill Street Blues" and "L.A. Law," but not fully plotted out to exact detail. I use the Q/Trial angle as one story element that could've been allowed to grow and grow. Rather, than continuity, I was thinking more along the lines of character development as well. [QUOTE]Originally posted by AndrewR: TOS was great - yes. We only really got to know about Kirk and Spock and to a lesser extent Bones. S, U, S and C were just 'extras' with a few extra lines... really. They probably had more development than Chakotay though! [/QUOTE]Agreed, however, I am not taking about TOS. It was a product of its time; anthology storytelling over ongoing. In fact, TOS, as originally concieved was the story of a ship's captain much like Horatio Hornblower but in space instead of the high seas. TOS from the get-go was just about Kirk, but when Spock proved popular he became a forefront character. Harlan Ellison recalled in his "City on the Edge of Forever" book that he was disapointed that "Star Trek" at that time didn't have the characters grow and change as the episodes progressed. [QUOTE]Originally posted by AndrewR: TNG we got to know more about ALL the characters than we did in TOS.[/QUOTE]Did we? Did we really? We got to know them, get familar with their character traits. But did they grow beyond those traits. Did they ever go left, when you fully expected them to go right? Let's take a line from "All Good Things..." , which I think really summerizes the flaws in TNG well. Q: "...and what have we seen. You worrying about Commander Riker's career decisions, listening to Counselor Troi's padantic psycho-babble, helping Data in his witless exploration of humanity." (I've paraphrased from memory, forgive me if it is not exact.) Riker never got his command. Troi never moved beyond her psycho-babble. And Data was not one step closer to being human. [QUOTE]Originally posted by AndrewR: Middy sounds like he/she needs a good dose of DS9. It has everything your talking/complaining about. The least explored character would probably have been Jadzia.[/QUOTE]I, being male, did enjoy DS9 and was going to cite that as an example of what TNG could've done. But I didn't because I felt that would alienate the arguement more than B5. Besides, I wanted to use a series that was more of a counterpoint than DS9. B5 provides that since it was the first of the new breed of SF-TV that challanged Trek's hold of the airwaves. [QUOTE]Originally posted by AndrewR: BUT Who really cares. And who cares about no arcs. It's the stories and the characters that count. [/QUOTE]Apparently, I do. You do. And those who have already participated. Yes, it is about the stories and characters. That's why I started this topic. Too bad, many of the TNG episodes you could just juggle the characters around, put in Riker instead of Geordi, and it wouldn't have changed the course of the story one iota. I thank everyone for sharing there views. Discuss further. Middy Seafort [/QB][/QUOTE]
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