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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: [QB] [QUOTE]Posted by Timo: ...the few planets captured by the Jemmies might have been treated just as civilly as Bajor was...[/QUOTE]I sincerely doubt it, since Bajor was never occupied. Based on the dialogue during the opening Season 6 arc, not a single Jem'Hadar soldier ever set foot on Bajor. Plus, don't forget that Starfleet was practically hemorrhaging ships throughout the entire war. There were 98 ships lost just in the opening episode. Also, the script indicates (yeah yeah) that the bashed-up fleet the Defiant was leading at the beginning of that same episode, "A Time to Stand," was supposed to be the same fleet that we saw in the end of "Call to Arms." That would be another hundred ships lost, although probably over a longer period of time. I'm going to go back for a minute to the classic source of all Starfleet references, Wolf 359. If we assume that starships haven't really had a major change in crew complements (which is reasonable; there's only been 7 or 8 years between BoBW and DS9's war), then Starfleet would still lose, at a minimum, around 275 crew members per starship destroyed. (That's 11000รท40.) Now, factor in that at least some people definitely got to escape pods in BoBW, and that they didn't have to go far since they were in Federation space and the Borg ship immediately left the vicinity. However, many of the Dominion War battles were fought inside Cardassian territory, or else in territory where Starfleet was forced to retreat. Not all of the escape pods were necessarily recovered, and the Dominion was clearly never above killing survivors. So up that figure to a rough average of 400 casualties per lost ship. (Remember, for example, the lost USS [i]Grissom[/i] with 1200+ dead, mentioned in "Field of Fire.") Then take into account the big battle in the finale. The story indicated that there were supposed to be over a thousand allied ships involved in that attack, and Admiral Ross directly stated that they'd lost a third of their fleet. Multiply 400 by a thousand, then divide by three... and you're left with 130,000+ casualties, just in that one battle. Then, moving over to the recurring casualty lists during the war... the closest we get to a solid number is the figure of 1,730 during the week of "The Siege of AR-558." [i]However[/i], that doesn't take into account the frequent lulls in the fighting during the war, and the inconsistent offensive campaigns waged by either side. I'd actually say that "AR-558" had to have been in a "lull" period, and that whole episode's battle could only have been considered a minor skirmish. Therefore, that would probably be the minimum weekly total for most of the war -- not counting the Occupation Arc and the Final Chapter. Based on Ross's reaction to the percentage of casualties in the WYLB battle, I would wager that those losses were higher than average, but not unheard-of. So, say that Starfleet lost a good quarter of their fleet from "Sacrifice of Angels." And probably there'd be similar proportions of losses in the other major battles. And finally, we can't leave out the Dominion's attack on starbases, like in "Valiant." Therefore, I would estimate that we could tally up the following: -- 104 weeks of combat (2 full seasons/years) at a rough average of 2000 casualties a week: 208,000. -- Add in the WYLB battle: 130,000. -- And the "Angels" battle: 60,000. -- The Tyra System battle in "Stand": 39,200. ...leading to a minimum of 437,000 casualties. And THAT doesnt factor in ground combat -- at Chin'toka, at Betazed, at Benzar, and however many other dozens of planets the Jem'Hadar attacked. Or civilian casualties, for that matter. One final aside: don't forget that Weyoun wanted to eradicate the ENTIRE population of Earth after it was taken... would that have been the only "example" they'd have made, though? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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