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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cartman: [QB] [i]"You'll find many examples of this sentiment at the TrekBBS."[/i] No, the prevailing sentiment there is actually more along the lines of "B&B SUCK THIER RSEPECTIEV COKCS ADN LIEK TEH BUTTSEXOR[i]!![/i]", whereas people here can still nixpick their work to death intelligently without being mocked or labeled a B&B hater, as far as I know. But since your grievances seem to be directed at me: I don't hate B&B. Not for who or what they are, and not for their offerings to Trekdom. I don't even hate VOY. I just think that the show as a whole is crap and wasted its potential. But hate? No. Hate is much too strong an emotion for this. [i]"And those problems will only be multiplied with people on the 'net talking about them ad nauseum."[/i] Or remedied. ENT is warping ahead quality-wise, and I'd like to think fans expressing their "sentiment" had a hand in that. I don't know, maybe I AM investing too much energy into this, despite the fact that this is my first (well, second) post EVER on the subject. Whatever. [i]"And the usual counter argument goes that Rick Berman also had pretty much the same role on TNG (essentially)."[/i] And the usual counter-counter argument goes that Berman had Piller above him at the time (to which of course the counter-counter-counter argument goes that [i]Insurrection[/i] was Piller's brainchild and [i]First Contact[/i] was Braga's and Berman also did, uh, some much-needed DS9 reimaging, to which the counter-counter-counter-counter argument goes that Braga was the genius/madman behind [i]Threshold[/i], to which the counter-counter-counter-counter-counter argument goes that Braga also wrote gems like [i]Timeless[/i], [i]Year of Hell[/i] and [i]Living Witness[/i], to which the counter-counter-counter-counter-counter-counter argument goes that TNG never would have soared like it did if Roddenberry hadn't croaked when he did, to which the counter-counter-counter-counter-counter-counter-counter argument goes that Gene would never have approved of DS9's darker tones that made it leader of the Trek pack, to which the counter-counter-counter-counter-counter-counter-counter-counter argument goes that people should just shut the fuck up unless they are producers themselves, to which the counter-counter-counter-counter-counter-counter-counter-counter-COUNTER argument goes that Piller had good episodes and Behr had good episodes and Braga had good episodes and Piller had shit episodes and Behr had shit episodes and Braga had shit episodes and so laying the blame for VOY's demise on B&B alone is wrong and evil but at this point nobody cares anymore which is really too bad because the discussion could have been great FUN!) and was more involved with the creative process than with the production one. [i]"And if you make a comment about DS9, then we find out that, actually, Ira Behr did everything on DS9 that was good and Berman didn't touch it."[/i] Yes, because Behr had free reign after season two (to which the counter-argument goes that he permitted such excretal extravaganzas as [i]Let He Who Is Without Sin[/i] and [i]Profit and Lace[/i] to fill the airwaves, to which the counter-counter argument goes that... oh, forget it). [i]"Essentially though, they can and are blamed for anything wrong with the world that Sept 11 isn't blamed for."[/i] And THAT sentiment is what gets the people who DO have legitimate gripes so infernally pissed. Anyway, I'm bowing out of this one, lest Mike slap me around with his deceased equine pic again. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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