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[QUOTE]Originally posted by bX: [QB] Well the film's popularity is not a reason to like or dislike it. I think many of us are glad that it was popular because it signals that there is still life in one of our favorite franchises and so we will get more trek out of this. I'm not sure anyone is making an argument that this movie was bad only because it was different. So I enjoyed this movie very much. At the same time I acknowledge that this movie had some serious problems, and shall enumerate them for you here: I would say chief among my problems with this movie is a dramatic one: The motivation of Nero. Great bad guys make the good guys that much better. What made Khan such an iconic villain? His single-minded need to best Kirk. How did that movie let us know about that? Through numerous references to that very thing, up to and including his Second in command asking (somewhat reluctantly) why with a Starship and Genesis that they needed to get Kirk. It was right there in the movie on the screen for us to watch it and we had a palpable sense of how much Khan hated and resented this man and years of torturous existence had ...blah, blah, yes. We get it. Nero? Not so much. Reading the prequel comic gave me some answers to questions that had been bothering me (ie. Nero's motivations, a mining ship with how many torpedoes?, etc.), but those things weren't in the movie and unfortunately for the movie that means they don't count. And so in the context of the movie Nero is a ranting kill-crazy madman intent on imploding the Federation in his miles-long super-ship. Bond villains get more depth than this. It pains me to say it, but hell, even Shinzon (with his for no apparent reason psychic molester powers) came across as more sympathetic and therefore terrifying. It's especially frustrating having seen what JJ can do with a good bad guy. Alias was by far not my favorite show, but watching Ron Rifkin square off with Victor Garber is still among my favorite things on TV. I love Eric Bana, but I don't think the story let us see into the gearbox of what was driving him to get Spock, to destroy Vulcan, to annihilate the Federation. Anyway, my point is for all the talk of using Genesis to blow up planets, Khan never did that and only scarred-up and crippled an old trainee cruiser. Nero blew up a planet in the second act, shredded a flotilla of Starships and didn't have half Khan's menace. Kirk should not be bratty. I know it's new. Things are different, but for all his bravado, Kirk still shouldn't be a brat. Arrogant, headstrong, cocky, self-involved? Absolutely. But not a brat. During the Kobayashi Maru test Kirk was a brat. Arguments can be made for some of the other scenes, but his brattiness bugged me. Friends have convinced me that perhaps early brattiness may be later shaped into the unshakable confidence we've come to adore. But I will be ever-vigilant against brattiness. Another Kirk related sticking point was his preposterous rising through the ranks. Three years? There's "This kid's got the makings of a first rate Starfleet officer," and then there's "Let's give him command of our newest and bestest, giganticest ship, right now, today..." That's crazy pants and no organization as complex and deliberate as Starfleet-- no organization anywhere ever could possibly hope to work this way. Spock on Uhura: Now maybe this is me getting into "it's different and that's bad territory, but..." I have difficulty accepting that Spock would violate the student-teacher relationship in a smootchy-smootchy way. Now perhaps that was their first kiss and I am just being silly, but their implied relationship--it just goes against what Spock is all about. Flirty? Absolutely. ([URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmgYMTO6Th4]Plenty of that in TOS[/URL]), but this seemed much more familiar. I liked the story beat of Kirk not getting the girl. That's funny and even a cute wink to fans of TOS, but young teacher, the subject, of schoolgirl fantasy... Too much. Too MTV. Transwarp beaming? Very silly, but possibly saved by Simon Pegg's delivery of the description of what that'd be like. "Shooting a bullet with a smaller bullet while riding on horseback, blindfolded..." (or something) For some reason, I think I would have had much less a problem with it had the shuttle taken off after Enterprise. There were other problems, but my heart's not in it. I camped out to see this movie and have seen it 3 times so far. I'd watch it again and can't wait to get it in HD. Which is to say that for all it's faults, I still found a lot to like in this movie. Great pacing, with exciting stunts and effects. Thought the lens flares were beautiful, and other than the brewery set for one or two short scenes, I loved the production design. I found the humor to be spot on. I look forward to seeing what else they can do with this. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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