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[QUOTE]Originally posted by The_Tom: [QB] [QUOTE]When something is said in TNG that contradicts what was said in TOS, the TOS should prevail. The contradiction in TNG is either bad proof reading, ignorance to observe previous canon. TOS canon should have rightly prevailed. Star Trek is the legacy of the Original Series. Even if Okuda filled that gap, that knowledge has been clearly accepted canon for years. If you want to constantly overwrite previous canon with later references, it actually invalidates the sanctity of canon, making it trivial and fair game. [/QUOTE] Sanctity? Need I quote Mr. Shatner? TOS made mistakes, too. There is a big fat Nitpicker's Guide to TOS, too, y'know. Three phrases to live by: Writers are human. Star Trek is fiction. Continuity Errors will be made. If you're wishing for post-TOS writers to pore over Encylopedias and Chronologies and TOS scripts before even considering the big picture, that being a good teleplay, you're wishing for a series with no viewers except people like you who put 35-year old lines of dialogue ahead of quality in every single case. Let me repeat. I like continuity. If continuity is broken and there are no significant rewards, then I'll bitch and whinge just like you. But a means-justifying-the-ends approach is a far more reasonable approach to take when crafting expectations for a fictional show. [QUOTE] And don't give me that do it for the story crap---the trivialization, self contradiction and invalidation of the Star Trek universe had already taken a great toll in its fans. [/QUOTE] Well, its apparently taken a toll on your ability to treat the series as make-believe from time to time. I'm holding up fine. Oh, the three weeks in the hospital after "Star Trek: First Contact" were bad, as was the night when the stardates in TNG's first season were out-of-order. When "Generations" made it clear that Kirk apparently died before Scotty went missing, I nearly had a heart attack. But I've soldiered through it all. [QUOTE]If you are really creative, you can do any story following strict guidelines. After all, technology is already supposedly limited here. [/QUOTE] No you can't. If you can't have a non-Earthcrew Vulcan onboard a pre-TOS ship, you can't have someone providing Roddenberrian commentary on the illogical state of mankind. If you can't have Zefram Cochrane behaving different to the way he was seen in TOS, you can't have the dramatic device of the guy not meeting the legendary expectations of the 24th century in ST:FC. [QUOTE]The first contact with the Klingons have been a hostile one and has been so for the last fifty years. There is a stardate associated with that episode, so more or less, it's roughly fifty ears, but not one hundred fifty years. [/QUOTE] Um, bullshit. Stardates are irrelevant. Like I said, Okuda put two and two together and made an OK conjecture. But let's not wet the bed if it gets overwritten and the result doesn't suck ass. [QUOTE] There is also how you portray the Klingons. Let's forget about the forehead makeup crap (Kahless has armored foreheads.) Things that can be attributed to sixties budget and limited special effects can be excused.[/QUOTE] There are signs of intelligent life! Yes! [QUOTE]We are talking about the character of the Klingons. Are they going to be more hostile, gang like thugs like in TOS? Or just the misrepresented, need to be understood honorable vikings in TNG?[/QUOTE] Good question. I'm curious... do you have problems with the fact that there was some variation in the portrayal of the Klingons between the two series? If you do, then we have further grounds for disagreement: sticking to TOS's writing style shouldn't be used as an excuse preventing us from learning that the Klingons did have more to them then evil savagery. [QUOTE]While a Vulcan on an Earth starship is not a continuity contradiction in paper, it is already a thinly veiled contradiction in spirit and intention, in the sense there is a letter of the law, and there is the intent of the law.[/QUOTE] I nearly choked on what I was eating when I read this. I think it's cute enough that we refer to the established body of the Trek community by a religious term, canon. But introducing legal precedent. Honestly, that's too funny. [QUOTE] How do you explain why there isn't another Vulcan in Starfleet before Spock when you have a Vulcan already in a Starfleet predecessor? This makes it even more ridiculous. [/QUOTE] See TSN's thoughts above. [QUOTE] ...Bakula came from a successful SF TV series with a cult following. Bakula is definitely more recognizable before Trek, than Brooks, Mulgrew, Philipps and Auberjonois did Trek. There is no denying that. There is also no denying that Bakula may have been paid the highest ever for any cast member for a Star Trek series. [/QUOTE] So fucking what. It's Paramount's money. It's not like they're charging a subscription fee to let you watch the show. If they want to spend more money to get better talent, all power to them. Look at the cast of some other sci-fi shows and you'll see what you get when you go cheap on the talent. [QUOTE]I'm interested how they will approach the Romulans. Are they going toreveal the Romulans by face, with actual encounters with humans? It should be noted that a good number of TOS aliens cannot be used herebecause they were first contact on TOS, such as Tholians and Gorns. [/QUOTE] I guess we'll have to wait and see, and complain based on what they do. I can't remember at all, but was "The Tholian Web" indeed the first contact with the Tholians? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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