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[QUOTE]Originally posted by crobato: [QB] "Well, the fact that VOYAGER is reduced to doing what it's doing storywise is kind of evident of that. I think everyone's tried of the new fore-head aliens of the week kind of story that TNG and VOY have done for the past 14 years. DS9 had successful stories because it mixed up the pot a bit -- it wasn't new aliens each week, and that did lend itself to original stories. " Excuse me, but Berman did say this is a story still centered around a starship. "Any new series is going to have to "shake the pot" to be successful. Now, whether that's jumping forward two-hundred years and setting things up a bit like Andromeda, or going back a few hundred years and setting up the beginning, hopefully, we won't be getting stories of the same quality (and I use the word loosely) of VOYAGER. " How is this shaking the pot? you don't shake the pot by changing the time line, and still have the same derivative characters, aliens and storylines. Hopeful is the keyword. The problem is, there isn't any evidence that will change without significant changes in the leadership and creative direction. That means firing Berman and Braga out of there. The people who have been in charge of overseeing the same crappy story lines for Voyager should not be allowed the opportunity to repeat the same problem again. "And how many writers from VOYAGER came over to ENTERPRISE ... ? I don't think any did. " Excuse me. Berman and Braga. They're not bad as writers though, just sucky in producing. "You might be right. But you know what? It's bad to judge things too soon. Give the show a chance -- because, you might be wrong. " Why would I give it a chance? I sincerely don't have any interest to watch it and so does most people. It simply does not have a compelling concept. The Federation was never an interesting institution people like to find out about. Most of the Federation aliens seem boring anyway like green Orions and blue Andorians. Vulcans got to be the most boring people every put on film, and it was a credit to Nimoy and the actor who played Sarek to have given them depth. "This is the closest I've come to finding The_Tom using this word. I don't see how it's insulting. He's not calling you a fucking moron, or telling you to get a fucking clue. Although, I think you do need to get a fucking clue. " You really are an ass. You read the wrong post too. "Erm. Well, gee, if it isn't Starfleet ... I don't see the problem. Except that you're looking to make one, and, hey, how do you explain the INTREPID? What, these Vulcans entered Starfleet later than Spock and rose through the ranks fast enough to take command of their own ship? You seem to ignore facts. " I am talking about Spock being teh first Vulcan in Star Fleet. That is a fact. Why have a Vulcan in a pre Fed fleet, then for some magical reason, you never had another Vulcan on an Earth starship until Spock, a gap of 150 years? I think they just want to skirt that continuity issue by making it pre Fed so it won't violate continuity in letter. But it already violates it by intention and in common sense. "And they HAVEN'T done it because of continuity errors, dude. They've done it because of BAD writing! And because DS9 went off the air. " This shows your ignorance. You can already check the facts on ratings with the Trekbbs website. The facts are, DS9 has already dropped down to low 4s in the ratings compared when it premiered with an 18.8. Continuity errors can be forgiven if you have good writing. But continuity errors *plus* bad writing creates a disaster. It becomes utterly unforgivable, salt on a wound. "And do you forget Kira? DS9 is a Federation administered space station, yet they've got members of another military within the command staff. And, also on the Defiant, you see foregin nationals (Kira & Odo) in the chain of command. " DS9 is only Federation administered, but it is Bajoran property. So your argument is bullshit. "Riker served as XO aboard the Klingon ship "Pagh." He even deposed the captain and assumed command! Ensign Mendon, a Benzite, was also of an officer's exchange program, and served in the Enterprise's Chain of Command. Starfleet also allowed Commander Kurn, a Klingon officer, to serve as Enterprise's XO. " Your argument is bullshit again because all these are not long term commands. Just exchange programs. Are you saying that T'Pol is on an exchange program? For two or three years? "You realized your arguments sucked my left testicle, and you decided to flame. And then you just starting insulting people. Immaturity RULES!" Yeah right asshole. Remember that when you look in the mirror. "Well, gee, why wasn't VOYAGER cancelled, then?" Oh my you're such a dipshit. They call Voyager a series on life support. By normal network standards, that show would have been cancelled long ago. It only has the refuge of UPN, and UPN is a money loser. In fact, UPN's future beyond next year is quite in doubt, much less dumb ass speculation about Enterprise going for five years. If anyone is angrier than pissed off former Trek fans, it's VIACOM stockholders. If Enterprise goes down, they will not only get the heads of Berman and Braga, but also the heads of UPN and Paramount Television in a big corporate bloodbath. "No it doesn't. I didn't walk out of THE ROCK because the Air Force was using F-18s (they don't), or because the number of jets changed in almost every shot. " It wasn't a historical movie anyway. Pearl Harbor is. U571 is. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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