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[QUOTE]Originally posted by JeffKardde: [QB] [QUOTE]You are obviously blind Jeff. You just want to support your Braga apologist friends. The moment you insert words like below on a text, it is deemably offensive.[/QUOTE] You know, I think Red Quaker is back. [QUOTE]You're assuming the conjecture is okay when half of the fan base doesn't already think so. Most of Berman's and Braga's results do suck ass anyway. Breaking continuity AGGRAVATES an already existing problem where results already suck.[/QUOTE] You want to support your contention that half the fanbase thinks it sucks? I know a lot of old timers -- grew up on TOS -- who love the idea. At least, a lot more than VOYAGER ... [QUOTE]I never heard of so weak arguments in my life. That's what apologists like to do, point out how better budget Trek is in comparison to other SF series, which by the way, seems to garner equal to better ratings for much less money spent per episode.[/QUOTE] Well, production value doesn't hurt. Now, if they could spend that money on some good writers ... [QUOTE]Here's another one. Maybe you don't understand this, Tom. The whole idea is still the same as with any action. The letter of the action and the intent of the action. This does not just govern legalities---it governs basic action. It's about basic ethics. The intent to violate something in spirit is as good as violating it in letter.[/QUOTE] There is life beyond Star Trek. No, honestly, there is. [QUOTE]Maybe it's time to stick your head out of your ass, Tom. [/QUOTE] Ahhh, as if we needed more proof of your immaturity, here's this gem. [QUOTE]The facts are THERE IS NOT ENOUGH VIEWERS ANYWAY.[/QUOTE] You know what? Your grammar is really bad, too. Well, see, Crobato, here's the thing. TPTB know that they don't have the viewers -- which is why they've got to lure them back: not with fancy SFX, or hot chicks in little clothing, but with good stories. And believe me, the majority of fans don't give a hoot about if FC with the Klingons happened to your version of events, or earlier. Trust me on this. [QUOTE]Let me put it this way. A show that cannot respect its legacies does not deserve respect at all.[/QUOTE] So, TNG, DS9, and VOY all suck, then? Because, you know, they've ALL violated TOS continuity at SOME point ... [QUOTE]Excuse me, but Berman did say this is a story still centered around a starship. [/QUOTE] So is Andromeda. But they've got a cool premise, and seem to be doing quite well. Little known fact, but Andromeda was pitched as the next Trek series: a lone Federation ship, hundreds of years after the collapse of the Federation. Would've been cool. [QUOTE]Why would I give it a chance? I sincerely don't have any interest to watch it and so does most people. It simply does not have a compelling concept. The Federation was never an interesting institution people like to find out about. Most of the Federation aliens seem boring anyway like green Orions and blue Andorians. Vulcans got to be the most boring people every put on film, and it was a credit to Nimoy and the actor who played Sarek to have given them depth.[/QUOTE] For someone who wants continuity on track, you're not that great with it yourself. Since when were Orions members of the Federation ... ? [QUOTE]You really are an ass. You read the wrong post too.[/QUOTE] Well, then, why don't you use "cut" and "paste" and show me the correct post, eh? [QUOTE]I am talking about Spock being teh first Vulcan in Star Fleet. That is a fact. Why have a Vulcan in a pre Fed fleet, then for some magical reason, you never had another Vulcan on an Earth starship until Spock, a gap of 150 years?[/QUOTE] Gee, maybe because they prefered serving in their own fleet ... ? [QUOTE]I think they just want to skirt that continuity issue by making it pre Fed so it won't violate continuity in letter. But it already violates it by intention and in common sense. [/QUOTE] No, it doesn't. [QUOTE]DS9 is only Federation administered, but it is Bajoran property. So your argument is bullshit.[/QUOTE] Not really. You've got a Bajoran military officer serving in a Starfleet chain of command. [QUOTE]Your argument is bullshit again because all these are not long term commands. Just exchange programs. Are you saying that T'Pol is on an exchange program? For two or three years?[/QUOTE] My argument is not bullshit. You say that because you don't have a refuting argument. [IMG]http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif[/IMG] [QUOTE]Yeah right asshole. Remember that when you look in the mirror. [/QUOTE] Oh, yes, your arguments are correct. Dumbass. If you can't make your arguments without resorting to this kind of talk, don't even try. [QUOTE]You are obviously blind Jeff. You just want to support your Braga apologist friends. The moment you insert words like below on a text, it is deemably offensive.[/QUOTE] You know, I think Red Quaker is back. [QUOTE]You're assuming the conjecture is okay when half of the fan base doesn't already think so. Most of Berman's and Braga's results do suck ass anyway. Breaking continuity AGGRAVATES an already existing problem where results already suck.[/QUOTE] You want to support your contention that half the fanbase thinks it sucks? I know a lot of old timers -- grew up on TOS -- who love the idea. At least, a lot more than VOYAGER ... [QUOTE]I never heard of so weak arguments in my life. That's what apologists like to do, point out how better budget Trek is in comparison to other SF series, which by the way, seems to garner equal to better ratings for much less money spent per episode.[/QUOTE] Well, production value doesn't hurt. Now, if they could spend that money on some good writers ... [QUOTE]Here's another one. Maybe you don't understand this, Tom. The whole idea is still the same as with any action. The letter of the action and the intent of the action. This does not just govern legalities---it governs basic action. It's about basic ethics. The intent to violate something in spirit is as good as violating it in letter.[/QUOTE] There is life beyond Star Trek. No, honestly, there is. [QUOTE]Maybe it's time to stick your head out of your ass, Tom. [/QUOTE] Ahhh, as if we needed more proof of your immaturity, here's this gem. [QUOTE]The facts are THERE IS NOT ENOUGH VIEWERS ANYWAY.[/QUOTE] You know what? Your grammar is really bad, too. Well, see, Crobato, here's the thing. TPTB know that they don't have the viewers -- which is why they've got to lure them back: not with fancy SFX, or hot chicks in little clothing, but with good stories. And believe me, the majority of fans don't give a hoot about if FC with the Klingons happened to your version of events, or earlier. Trust me on this. [QUOTE]Let me put it this way. A show that cannot respect its legacies does not deserve respect at all.[/QUOTE] So, TNG, DS9, and VOY all suck, then? Because, you know, they've ALL violated TOS continuity at SOME point ... [QUOTE]Excuse me, but Berman did say this is a story still centered around a starship. [/QUOTE] So is Andromeda. But they've got a cool premise, and seem to be doing quite well. Little known fact, but Andromeda was pitched as the next Trek series: a lone Federation ship, hundreds of years after the collapse of the Federation. Would've been cool. [QUOTE]Why would I give it a chance? I sincerely don't have any interest to watch it and so does most people. It simply does not have a compelling concept. The Federation was never an interesting institution people like to find out about. Most of the Federation aliens seem boring anyway like green Orions and blue Andorians. Vulcans got to be the most boring people every put on film, and it was a credit to Nimoy and the actor who played Sarek to have given them depth.[/QUOTE] For someone who wants continuity on track, you're not that great with it yourself. Since when were Orions members of the Federation ... ? [QUOTE]You really are an ass. You read the wrong post too.[/QUOTE] Well, then, why don't you use "cut" and "paste" and show me the correct post, eh? [QUOTE]I am talking about Spock being teh first Vulcan in Star Fleet. That is a fact. Why have a Vulcan in a pre Fed fleet, then for some magical reason, you never had another Vulcan on an Earth starship until Spock, a gap of 150 years?[/QUOTE] Gee, maybe because they prefered serving in their own fleet ... ? [QUOTE]I think they just want to skirt that continuity issue by making it pre Fed so it won't violate continuity in letter. But it already violates it by intention and in common sense. [/QUOTE] No, it doesn't. [QUOTE]DS9 is only Federation administered, but it is Bajoran property. So your argument is bullshit.[/QUOTE] Not really. You've got a Bajoran military officer serving in a Starfleet chain of command. [QUOTE]Your argument is bullshit again because all these are not long term commands. Just exchange programs. Are you saying that T'Pol is on an exchange program? For two or three years?[/QUOTE] My argument is not bullshit. You say that because you don't have a refuting argument. [IMG]http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif[/IMG] [QUOTE]Yeah right asshole. Remember that when you look in the mirror. [/QUOTE] Oh, yes, your arguments are correct. Dumbass. If you can't make your arguments without resorting to this kind of talk, don't even try. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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