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[QUOTE]Originally posted by crobato: [QB] "Unlike you, I'd like to believe I have something of a grasp of the challenges these guys face in creating original television when so many hours have already been done. Berman and Braga have made more than there share of the mistakes, but they've also put together a good chunk of the absolute best Star Trek ever put on screen. " The problem of this is that they have outlived their welcome. Maybe you have not seen other message boards. Every board that had a topic of Star Trek would almost always say how tired they are of Berman and Braga. The confidence in their production is little. They have done some good work but they also did a lot of shitty work, and as an average, that puts down the entire franchise. It's time for them to go. I also think they have made Trek such a personal playground that most of producers from Biller to Piller couldn't stay any longer. There is simply no check to their abuses. Again, its time for them to go. ". But they've done, in my opinion at least, a reasonable job of sticking to Roddenberry's vision through thick and thin. " I truly question that they did so, assuming of course that Roddenberry had a valid vision for present day Trek. (No one can pretend to know Roddenberry's real vision given how Earth FC and Andromeda are such strong anti-Utopian concepts.) But no one honestly think Berman and Braga is sticking to Roddenberry's vision. "They know that most of the 75% drop was people who got sick of boring writing and technobabble and predictable endings and went off to watch Law and Order and The West Wing. And they want them back. " I honestly don't think West Wing and Law and Order have the same audience as Star Trek. SF audiences tend to follow shows regardless of their time slot so long it's reasonable convenient. It's only the casual viewer that picks shows based on what's showing. I doubt that West Wing watchers are TNG fans (I hate Martin Sheen or any show that has a Sheen in it, except for Emilio.) In the end, I don't even think Braga and Berman don't know the hell what's wrong with their franchise. The point is, Star Trek isn't special. Enterprise is not in any sense, a special starship that Andromeda, Lexx or Moya or the Taelon mothership could be. Making it a 22nd starship does not increase it's appeal any more. Grittier, less techy shows have been done to death already, from Space Above and Beyond to Babylon 5. Enterprise is simply revisting what people had done already. It is simply not an innovative show. Technobabble isn't solved by changing the time era. It is solved by creative discipline. Even in the 22nd century, it's easy to technobabble to come in and the prevailing excuse for that is that it may come from aliens. Every SF and fantasy show has what is called its technology or fantasy mythos. This is what makes them distinctive. Earth FC has this Taelon Energy. Star Wars has the Force. Lord of the Rings, has the Rings of Mordor. Stargate SG1 has the Stargate. They are no more, no less fantastic than Star Trek's mythological technology. Science Fiction is *SCIENCE* fiction. It is not a soap opera or character drama with starships. Science fiction is about the consequence of technology on human life and society. The best show on this on TV right now is clearly, the Outer Limits. Cutting technology or the potential of technology out from science fiction isn't science fiction. It's another soap opera in space. If Braga and Berman has a problem with the proper uses of science and technology in fiction, then it's time for them for them to get out. We don't watch Science fiction to have technology solve problems, we watch science fiction create these problems. "What is certain, however, is that Roddenberry desperately wanted Star Trek to be original, exciting, and a worthy forum for expressing viewpoints to the masses. I think Gene would care more about creating an original, exciting series that returns to using science fiction as an effective medium of invoking thought about important issues and bringing such thought to willing viewers everywhere. " They always say that with every new Trek show that came, for every season of those shows. The result is always the same. Given those statements, it seems instead that Earth FC and Andromeda had done a better job, particularly on the last statement. Nobody seriously thinks that Paramount is keeping Roddenberry's vision alive in any sense with the latest Trek shows. People left Trek because it has become bland and boring relative to other SF shows. There isn't anything innovative about Enterprise. It's clearly a brand name thing. Where in any part of Enterprise's premise you can honestly say it's bold, not relative to the decaying Trek franchise, but to the Science Fiction world in general. Enterprise is been there, been that. You don't understand what I truly mean being there. It's not about the nearby cartography of the early Federation and what so ever aliens are in there. It's not about exploring new star systems. It is about concepts. Enterprise does not bring any innovative concept to science fiction. Another starship without an interesting premise, without uniqueness, without specialty. At least shows like Farscape and Andromeda brought something new to table. X-Files brought something new. Babylon 5 brought something new. Stargate brought something new. Buffy brought something new. The Outer Limits brought something new. Enterprise bring us pointy ears once again. Oh boy. Name what Enterprise is new about. Less technobabble? That's not something new. Practically most shows do this already. It's only the real fanboys who want to know how people meet Vulcans and Klingons and such---and it's also the same fanboys who will get pissed off if there's problems with continuity. The West Wing and Law and Order watcher isn't interested about the birth of the Federation or how the hell people met Klingons. Don't even think that Enterprise would grap the West Wing viewer. The West Wing viewer probably has no interest at another space ship show. Braga's comments only serve to show how out of touch he really is. And how out of touch many remaining Trek fans are, which I have to say from your comments, would include you. You don't see Star Wars fans, B5 fans, Stargate, Farscape fans and X-Files fans complain about breaking continuity much do you? These shows maintain story quality with continuity. If a franchise has to break continuity to get better stories, there is something sickly wrong about it in the first place. When fans complain about continuity issues in such an extent on Trek--yet something we almost never see on other SF and fantasy shows---it shows how discredible the franchise has become. Continuity bitching and technobabble are actually symptoms relating to the same and much larger problem---the creative bankruptcy of the show's producers. There is nothing I have seen about this show that the Paramount and the producers has satisfactorily dealt with this problem. The show in absolute terms, isn't innovative, original, and special in any sense. It lacks a defining quality. The whole idea of things like "first meeting with Klingons" are what it takes to get old fans back is totally absurd. That's fanboy stuff. There's nothing there an mainstream or general SF fan would like. It's like assuming they still have a thing for Trek. Most probably not---they may have a much greater interest on another show. Don't underestimate or overestimate my loyalty to the Trek franchise. The reality is, I have none. I can easily switch to any SF show I want and I watch a good deal many. Breaking continuity for a better story. yeah right. The whole point of it, if a show has to rely on devices like this, it's not really worth watching. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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